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Posted on 04/18/2010 7:09:37 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
Under international law, terrorists, soldiers out of uniform, and spies can be shot out of hand. Gen. Loan's execution of the notorious Viet Cong captain caught shooting up Gen. Loan's men's housing area was in fact lawful.
Note that this bill incorporates the Geneva Convention to U.S. law, or vice versa. Not sure I'm pleased about that:
An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. [Emphasis supplied.]
Not sure I'm really wild about their putting that into the law. It's one thing to observe the conventions, and another entirely, to write them into U.S. law.
I despise McCain. That being said, this article so distorts the bill as to be little more than a propaganda piece.
The bill is selectively quoted. Here is the ACTUAL wording:
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An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial...”
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3081
The bill is about how they are to decide who is “an unprivileged enemy belligerent;” and how they are to be treated. Also, it keeps any trial of such OUTSIDE the US. Although it is obviously flawed, it is NOT as depicted in this article. Please read the bill at the link provided, and discuss the REALITY, not this distortion.
DG
Exactly. What were George Patton and Omar Bradley supposed to do with the thousands of Waffen SS prisoners they took? Mirandize them?
The Constitution does provide for suspension of habeas corpus in emergencies -- and I think 9/12 would have qualified for sure.
What do you do about suspension of habeas corpus in the face of a protracted, "low-intensity" guerrilla/terror campaign against the People by a foreign power or NGO (i.e. illegal combatant power), to force a change in U.S. policy or government? This is nasty stuff, and I'm sure it would furrow even Hamilton's and Jefferson's brows.
That's actually lenient treatment, compared to what they could get (shot!). See my post above.
One of those things he must have learned in that North Vietnamese POW camp.
“Anything which CAN be abused, will be abused. This is an Unconstitutional usurpation of power, amounting to the negation of habeas corpus. While that has been done before, we were engaged in the war we do not want to repeat, if possible.
The ‘stroke of a pen, law of the land’ set has no compunction about abusing power—they have already done so. I believe your faith is unfounded. The proposal says what it says, the potential for abuse is written in, and there are no safeguards there.
It is bad legislation, and imho, shows McCain to be unfit for office. “
On this we agree!
B U M P
Yep, the internment prison camps already exist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
They are just sitting there, waiting for residents to occupy them.
Sarah appears to be tone-deaf on some basic issues.
Unpriveleged enemy belligerent- that would be most FReepers...
And Sarah Palin is backing this clown?
Calling me a coward after I sign off.
This from someone who is a full time government subsidized student, who doesn't hold a job, has probably never had a girlfriend, and is notoriously well kown for posting hyperbole from really stupid sources.
Glad this idiot didn’t get elected.
So, she has commented on this bill????
Maturity should bring clearer thinking.
The facts that the birch society presents are usually unsettling or downright frightening, but they are always correct, whether you are able to deal with it or not.
Its high time that we all quit trying to kill the messenger every time bad news comes along.
This bill is a huge mistake as written, and largely unnecessary and feckless WRT terrorists, since we already have adequate statutes on the books to deal with them. The problem is not a lack of laws, but a lack of desire on the part of the left to enforce them.
This is not a tool that will be used on terrorists; it will be used on patriotic Americans, by unpatriotic Democrat regimes, as we have already learned under Carter, and Clinton. We don’t dare allow something like this to fall into the hands of Obama & Co.
“Sean is beyond useless at times when it comes to his RINO buddies: McLame, Newt, Huckebee, and Romney!”
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Yep!
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We are looking at a time when an innocent US citizen -- think about how easy it would be for our uncontrolled government to "designate" you an "enemy belligerant" -- might be detained indefinitely, without charges and without trial, yet the real terrorists who kill Americans in war must be granted the priveleges of an American citizen!
It's pure, undiluted insanity!
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