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Dr. Mark Mostert: Euthanizing Children in the US Yes, its Here
Disability Matters ^ | 4/19/10 | Dr. Mark Mostert

Posted on 04/20/2010 4:45:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

The latest edition of a prestigious medical journal, The Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, has published a very disturbing piece of research. While the study is very small, the fact that it was done at all suggests that there might be a larger problem across the country: Euthanizing children right here in the US.

The study, of course, doesn’t talk about euthanasia. Here’s the title: “Considerations About Hastening Death Among Parents of Children Who Die of Cancer.”

I see. It’s not euthanasia, it’s hastening death. Sounds so much more, well, clinical, don’t you think?

Essentially, the researchers wanted to know, in terms of actual cases and presented possible scenarios, what parents’ attitudes were toward euthanasia when a child was terminally ill with cancer. No surprise, the more the actual case or scenario involved high levels of pain and suffering, the more likely parents were to consider euthanasia

Sorry, I meant “hastening death.”

Now, if the study only used contrived scenarios, the findings would be important, because they show, among other things, that parents are ignorant of palliative measures that can make terminally ill children comfortable in their final days.

However, among parents interviewed who literally had terminally ill children with cancer, there were several who actually discussed euthanasia for their child with their doctor, and, in three instances, where parents reported that the euthanasia was carried out.

Frightening, and even more so when you consider how small the study was.

And, it’s absolutely probable that if it‘s happening in the two hospitals covered by the study, it’s going on all over the country behind closed doors after whispered conversations.

Killing children because they are sick.

Here in these United States.

This is how things started in the Netherlands.

Let’s so all we can to make sure it doesn’t happen here.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; infanticide; moralabsolutes; prolife
However, among parents interviewed who literally had terminally ill children with cancer, there were several who actually discussed euthanasia for their child with their doctor, and, in three instances, where parents reported that the euthanasia was carried out.

I wonder how long it will be before Zero and his czars start denouncing the "worthless eaters".

1 posted on 04/20/2010 4:45:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 04/20/2010 4:46:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I give up. The world is doomed.


3 posted on 04/20/2010 4:46:50 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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4 posted on 04/20/2010 4:46:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I think either Zero or one of the famous czars (sorry, I don’t remember who, but it caught my attention) has already mentioned something about “nonproductive” people.


5 posted on 04/20/2010 4:48:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

John Holdren is the czar.


6 posted on 04/20/2010 4:53:18 PM PDT by Dianer0839
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To: livius

>> I give up. The world is doomed.

The World is doomed if we give up.


7 posted on 04/20/2010 4:54:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Soothesayer

Yep,I agree.We must be getting close to the end.


8 posted on 04/20/2010 4:56:27 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop thinking about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Dianer0839; Gene Eric

Yes, John Holdren probably was the one who said this.

We can’t give up, but I think one of the reasons for the attacks on the Catholic Church now is that the Church has held fast on this.

HOWEVER, there are a bunch of nuns who seem to be in charge of the Catholic hospital association who are out there licking Obama’s toes on this and every other issue. The Vatican has to be told that the Pope must get these ladies out of there and make the Catholic stance clear and unequivocal.


9 posted on 04/20/2010 4:59:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

The Nazis used to refer to “useless eaters”.The current regime in this country is not all that different.


10 posted on 04/20/2010 4:59:03 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop thinking about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’m about to reach the age to go before the death panel once Bambi’s plan is implemented. I’m going to refuse to go.

What can they do to me? Kill me? They were going to do that anyway.


11 posted on 04/20/2010 5:00:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: wagglebee

For an historical perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4

this is how it starts.


12 posted on 04/20/2010 5:24:06 PM PDT by PeteCat
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To: PeteCat

Here are some more links:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005200
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-euthanasia.htm
http://www.life.org.nz/euthanasia/abouteuthanasia/history-euthanasia6/
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/disabilities/
http://www.shoaheducation.com/t4.html

This article, “Useless Eaters” by Dr. Mark Mostert is the best that I have ever read on the subject:
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schedu/uselesseaters/text/2743414051_1.pdf


13 posted on 04/20/2010 5:32:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The lefties still have to come up wiht a better more simpler word for it. Simplify the language, cut out all the non-essential words.


14 posted on 04/20/2010 5:37:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: livius

>> The Vatican has to be told that the Pope must get these ladies out of there and make the Catholic stance clear and unequivocal.

I agree.


15 posted on 04/20/2010 6:11:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: wagglebee

The line of when to start the “hastening” creeps and creeps and creeps.


16 posted on 04/20/2010 6:18:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee

There is often no discernable difference between palliative measures and euthanasia. The intent is different, but the end result is the same.


17 posted on 04/20/2010 6:18:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: wagglebee

Everybody dies.
Death is therefore inevitable and can only be hastened for anyone, not just the immediately threatened.
Even if you are perfectly healthy and I kill you now, I have only hastened your death,
not brought about something that would never have happened eventually.
“Hastening” death by even a second is the definition of murder.

Most people are so easily fooled or their guilt lessened by the right euphemism.


18 posted on 04/20/2010 7:46:20 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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19 posted on 04/20/2010 8:48:29 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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Dear Sirs,

Please consider moving this important thread to News/Activism. It needs maximum exposure.

Thanks

20 posted on 04/20/2010 8:51:43 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: livius
The Grim Reaper needs to pay a visit to John GoToHelldren.
21 posted on 04/20/2010 9:04:59 PM PDT by itssme
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To: wagglebee

“...the “worthless eaters” “.

Careful! There are more than a few folks here on FR who would describe that as covering most immigrants on welfare.


22 posted on 04/20/2010 9:22:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: wagglebee

this is horrible.


23 posted on 04/20/2010 9:24:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am not an apostate. God rescued me from mormonism.)
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To: wagglebee

’ I wonder how long it will be before Zero and his czars start denouncing the “worthless eaters” ‘.

Well... speaking of czars, and the current regime, I would say that they are the epitome of ‘worthless’ from a human productivity, usefulness, perspective.


24 posted on 04/20/2010 9:26:33 PM PDT by elpinta (Jer. 10:23)
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To: wagglebee

I find this hard to believe.
This is being reported by the parents to the researchers. Parents are not medical personnel.
The conversation was probably like this( and I have witnessed this)- “Your child is terminal- and will probably die in the next two days. In order to make your child comfortable, we will need to give morphine. Sometimes large doses of morphine can stop breathing, but your child needs the morphine to be comfortable.”
The parents then interpret this as euthanasia. Not true.


25 posted on 04/20/2010 9:27:35 PM PDT by kaila
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To: Kirkwood

That is not true. Palliative measures can be given in doses that do not kill. Euthansia is purposely giving doses of whatever or large enough to kill. People who are dying can be given palliative care for considerble periods of time.

Why are you saying something that is not true?


26 posted on 04/20/2010 9:39:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: SatinDoll

I don’t want immigrants on welfare to be killed. I just want them to not be on welfare, and to leave the country if they are illegal.

That wasn’t a nice thing to say, btw.


27 posted on 04/20/2010 9:40:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Tired of Taxes

Thanks for the LMSD/Laptop info. Here’s a ping for you too. I’m actually pretty upset over even the thought of people bringing this up.


28 posted on 04/20/2010 10:24:51 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: wagglebee

Prayers for all these children.


29 posted on 04/20/2010 10:35:07 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: little jeremiah

In some cases it is true. The tolerance for morphine becomes greater and greater, and larger and larger doses must be used to eliminate the pain.


30 posted on 04/20/2010 10:38:51 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

I know that; but still, there is a difference between purposely giving a dose that kills and giving enough to ease pain. There is intent involved. And when the intent is to kill, that is when it all becomes evil.


31 posted on 04/20/2010 11:20:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Agree.


32 posted on 04/20/2010 11:41:12 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

And the danger with legalizing euthanasia or even turning a blind eyes is this:

“Well, he’s supposed to live for another two days/two weeks/two months/two years but he’s in such pain, he’ll never be cured, it’s really the kind thing to do...plus, our insurance is running out, and I can’t possibly give him the care at home, and... and... And the doctor said it won’t hurt, he’ll just go to sleep and not wake up...”

I can see it and hear it now.


33 posted on 04/20/2010 11:51:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah; Kirkwood
This monologue would never occur in most cases. The amount of morphine needed to ease the pain would eventually be increased to a lethal dose. That is what Kirkwood was saying. No discernible difference, except in intent.

Of course with some fatal illnesses, pain is not the problem.

In bygone days the morphine dose would be regulated so it did not kill the patient. That was barbaric. When we can ease the pain, we should, and I'm glad we now do so.

34 posted on 04/21/2010 12:09:03 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

What I’m saying is that if euthanasia or call it doctor assisted suicide (kids can now ask to be killed in, IIRC, Belgium), this sort of discussion will occur earlier in the illness. Not when the child is in unbearable pain, totally helpless, or unconscious. Much earlier. When large doses of pain killing drugs are not needed “yet”.

“Why wait until he’s in terrible pain? It would be so cruel to wait until then. Let’s remember him as he is now; the doctor said he would get all twisted/go blind/stop eating - and I couldn’t bear to see him like that. It’s the kind thing to do. The doctor said he’ll feel no pain, just go to sleep. We know there’s no hope, why wait until he suffers so much more?”

It won’t just happen when the children are near death, if it’s legalized.


35 posted on 04/21/2010 12:22:21 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

“That wasn’t a nice thing to say, btw.”

I certainly agree is isn’t a nice thing to say. But I’ve read worse on some threads on FR and I’ve been posting here for a few years.

Those nasty comments I skip, as not everyone who is an immigrant is here illegally and quite a few are political refugees, like the Cambodians, and have needed help assimilating.

It was still shocking to read that 50% of all people on welfare are immigrants.

At one time immigrants could not enter the U.S.A. unless they had a sponsor, but that no longer appears to be the case. If the law still exists, we must need dust it off and start enforcing our immigration laws.

Reform is just a way to seem busy making progress while nothing really changes.


36 posted on 04/21/2010 12:56:51 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

Maybe I misunderstood your other comment. I thought you were saying that many people on FR thought that immigrants (in general) were uesless eaters with all that that implies.

If I was wrong, I apologize.

I see tons of stuff on FR that makes me sick, for sure - from ignorance to much worse. I generally skip it, too, unless I want to try to defeat it.

My DH is a legal immigrant - took him a year just to get here, is now naturalized. He came when immigrants had to have sponsors. So I have nothing against legal immigrants! Just no illegals, and no welfare. Private orgs should help them, and other needy people.


37 posted on 04/21/2010 1:04:24 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Gene Eric

We have just experienced yet another ....
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38 posted on 04/21/2010 6:52:56 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: wagglebee
This is the 'natural' progression when the federal oligarchs toss God out of their governing calculus. When the oligrach do not fear God --is there any doubt that scum like Barney Frank and Barry Soetoro and Harry Reid do not fear God since they spit in His face almost daily with their agenda-- they begin to take upon themselves and their empowerment the roll of 'godly improvement to humankind'.

The most disturbing aspect of this rising evil is that We The People have not marched these murderous bastards out of any power, any authority over U.S.! By tolerating this EVIL we become complicit in it.

39 posted on 04/21/2010 8:12:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: JDW11235

Yes, it is disturbing that the question is even being asked.


40 posted on 04/21/2010 8:15:07 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Soothesayer

“I give up. The world is doomed.”

We must never give up or the world WILL be doomed.

Inform everyone you know and PRAY.


41 posted on 04/21/2010 5:34:37 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kirkwood

no, in palliation you relieve pain, even though it might depress respiration, and that could hasten death.

This is allowed in Catholic ethics, even to the extent of “terminal sedation” where you put a person into a coma to relive the pain.

In hastening death, you adjust the dosage to kill.

The difference? I’ve had a couple patients who, once we relieved their pain, got better...


42 posted on 04/21/2010 8:07:00 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: wagglebee

This country is deserving of the judgment God is going to pour out on it some day.


43 posted on 04/22/2010 7:21:39 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Sun

It is nice to have faith. I don’t. Humanity is doomed.

For every 1 person trying to make the world a better place, there are at least 1 million making it much much worse. It’s amazing that civilization lasted as long as it did. Extinction is long overdue.

For all we know, God changed his mind, gave up on this world, and moved to a different universe.


44 posted on 04/22/2010 1:53:03 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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45 posted on 04/25/2010 10:55:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Soothesayer

Nope.....we are the weak ones that give up on God. He never gives up on us!

I think that this is just the “sorting of the wheat from the chaff.” Hang in there, Soothe! We are being tested!

Militant


46 posted on 04/27/2010 1:13:25 PM PDT by militant2 (I may not agree with everything you say, but......hell, I don't agree with anything you say!)
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To: kaila

That is a really good point. What you describe is a dangerous attempt at palliative care.

Euthanasia is the deliberate attempt at painless killing with the objective of causing death.


47 posted on 04/27/2010 3:28:32 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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