Former Rolling Stone’s Child Lover Says Raise the Age of Consent

Life Site News ^ | April 21, 2010 | Peter J. Smith

[Albion Wilde]

...This is where marriage steps in. Enforced by society, it helps guarantee to the male that the children are his, in exchange for him only making children with one woman. It also guarantees the woman that the man will help raise her children, in exchange for her using just his DNA to make them...

Excellent summary. I would also add that the Judeo-Christian standards of marital chastity, "one man, one woman" marriage and prohibitions on incest and close-relation marriage also strengthens the physical quality of the offspring by avoiding cousin marriage and unknowing relations with half-siblings.

[Albion Wilde]

Her remarks prove her EQ (emotional intelligence) is lacking.

So?

[Albion Wilde]

Your enumeration of the exceptions to the common practice of one-man, one woman marriage in U.S. history is interesting, but they were still the exceptions. One-man, one woman marriage was the most prevalent arrangement for most adults, most of the time — much more so than today. Marriage was the premier rite of passage to adulthood, often accompanied by a separate domicile from parents. Today there is a diffusion of firsts: first car, first sexual experience, first legal drink, first college experience, possible graduation, first apartment, first “real” job, first new car, first house, first big-screen tv, etc. Responsible adulthood, instead of arriving with marriage, dribbles in.

[Albion Wilde]

A 48 year old adult is not a child in the eyes of the any juris diction I know of.

You are the one with the reading comprehension issues.

She used her free will to go to bars at age 13.

The free will of an underage minor does not count, Einstein. That is the point.

[Albion Wilde]

...at least in England, that the nobility married much younger than the poorer people; because the nobility could afford to. People married when they could afford it, and the middle or lower classes took longer to accumulate enough money or goods to set up a household.

An Irish friend of mine referred to impoverished Ireland's many 35-year-old brides and grooms as "Irish birth control."

[Mrs. Don-o]

Albion, I'm so glad you jumped in. I realized we were dealing with someone who... was really...in the bozone (sigh) and I thought, "Eh, I'm outta here."

Your contributions to this thread have been outstanding.

[little jeremiah]

I agree that current societal norms of postponing responsible adulthood until - well, late 20s? College is for wild party times, etc.

It’s a very long topic, but the education system, besides being run and saturated by leftists and leftist garbage, has many other failures. High schools should teach practical work skills, for one, and to assume that everyone needs to go to college is beyond silly and a terrible wastse of money, time and human lives.

Apprenticeship was standard for teenagers throughout history and is excellent. Currently there are so many tangled laws that it is hard for any entrepenuer, what to speak of hiring young teenagers or working out apprenticeships.

When I was young (born in 1950) it was common for young teenagers to work in the summer, including ag jobs. Not any more, there are laws preventing such, even on the parents’ farm.

The entire system of how children are educated (what to speak of the huge % of fatherless children and slut mothers), is a terrible problem that will not be solved overnight. And the rot didn’t start yesterday.

[little jeremiah]

Or what the point is of being celibate at 39.

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If a person does not want to have sex outside of marriage, the alternative is celibacy. Not only is there nothing wrong with that, it’s the correct way to behave.

[little jeremiah]

The institutions of government and medicine are ENCOURAGING youthful sexual experimentation.

SEICUS and other organizations push a Kinseyian “sex positive” agenda. They seize upon William Reich’s notion that sexual energy is a birthright to be enjoyed at every age. Proponents believe that there should be no moral judgements over any sexual pairings.

Your tax dollars fund this beast through a thousand different foundations globally.

One way to counter this agenda is to make it criminal to “corrupt minors”. We have a Safe Schools Czar that introduced school children to the concept of fisting.

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Very well said.

[little jeremiah]

I agree!

BTW, Mrs. D (and wagglebee), I have to absent myself from FR for a few days. The onslaught of bad news is getting to me. I need a breather....

I’ll be back in a few days with pinging. My mind is just getting overwhelmed and I need a respite away from the trenches.

[Albion Wilde]

( ( blush ) )

[Albion Wilde]

God bless you and give you peace, LJ. This thread is a prime example of the results of totalitarian Marxist education on the younger generation. You have to start so far back to explain anything to them; it requires enormous remediaton and patience.

The ignorance is so profound, many seem to be troll bots who might in fact be just terribly misinformed, if not utterly ruined intellectually. We have our work cut out for us.

[dragnet2]

Same with driving...No kid should be behind the wheel of a vehicle capable of 120mph at 16 years old...They are just not mature enough.

[little jeremiah]

Your kind words mean a lot to me, thank you.

I need to back away from the ‘puter now...

I have a sick friend, older lady, am getting together things to help her and will spend the day occupied with other useful duties, maybe even practice with my new 130 color (expensive!) Aquarelle pencils...

It’s a hard fight and needs to be done, there are better soldiers than me; I do it because it is the right thing to do.

See you in some days.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

In the Judeo-Christian tradition, it gets somewhat more complicated as well. Check out in Religion section in the Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

in which they need a chart to explain the various Talmudic prohibitions, as well as the Christian and other religions sections.

There is also the Westermarck effect, in which very young children raised together naturally avoid sexual contact later. Yet if raised apart, such children may be more than ordinarily sexually attracted to each other.

But importantly, since personal and religious concerns are often set aside when money is an issue, this is another strike against “bride buying” and dowry.

I gather in England, right now, there is a strong effort to convince “Asians” not to marry incestuously, which mostly means first cousins, because they are showing genetic abnormalities associated with inbreeding at an increasing rate.

Otherwise, the Oneida commune in 19th Century New York State, were selectively bred based on the farming instincts of their spiritual leader. Ironically, although they believed in marriage, it was up to the leader who you would make children with, to raise with your spouse.

Oddly enough, just by guesswork, their leader’s guesses were very good ones. A relatively small group of people produced no fewer than 60 national leaders in several fields, in only three generations. But the inbreeding was such that had they inbred for just one more generation, there would have been serious genetic breakdown.

As it was, the commune split up, with some of its members forming what would become the Oneida Corporation, and the other married outside of the group, restoring much needed diversity to their genetic lines.

[JLS]

So you are back to claiming God gives free will with some kind of time dimension. So where did you get this theology knowledge or training? Or are you some kind of cult leader.

I do like you ability to take quotations out of context. You Dims/statists are always so good at that.

[TexasFreeper2009]

The worker class exists whether you or I like it or not.

I am just advocating that it might be best if many people started working 10 years earlier than they do. Let me run a spreadsheet real quick... hold on...

ok here is what I determined:

If a 15 year old drops out of school and gets a job that pays $20,000 a year (I know, I know, it's just an example) over the next 50 working years he will make exactly $1 million. Now if that very same 15 year old decides to finish high school and spends a 4 or 5 years spinning his wheels at the local community college trying to get a degree until he is 25 and because of his extra education is able to get a job that pays 50% more or ($30,000) because of it... that sounds great right? not necessarily, because he started earning money 10 years after he would of... what happens is even though he is earning 50% more, it will take him most of his working life (30 years) just to catch up, and at 65 he will only have earned 2.35 million vs 2.25 million for the high school drop out (if you factor in 3% inflation over their working lifetimes)

I find it funny that over millions of years it was the norm for men and women to be considered grown just after puberty and somehow everything worked out just fine... but now we have to delay growing up until the mid to late 20’s because we are not capable of dealing with real life until we are more “mature”

Alexander the Great became Ruler of Macedonia at only 20.
Joan of Arc did her great deeds at only 19.

But the current youth need to be coddled till almost 30, I just don't get it.

[Chickensoup]

I believe that the age of sexual consent should be dropped to fourteen. The age of mandatory schooling should be dropped to twelve or end of sixth grade. That the minimum wage should be completely elimated. That most all child labor laws should be repealed so that kids can go into early aprenticeships and on the job trainings. Many young people want to start life earlier than the mandated 18 to thirty.

I also believe that these children should be encouraged to marry as soon as they can support themselves.

I had an apartment and a job at 15. It is certainly doable and there is nothing like supporting oneself to make one responsible.

[Nowhere Man]

I believe that the age of sexual consent should be dropped to fourteen. The age of mandatory schooling should be dropped to twelve or end of sixth grade. That the minimum wage should be completely elimated. That most all child labor laws should be repealed so that kids can go into early aprenticeships and on the job trainings. Many young people want to start life earlier than the mandated 18 to thirty.

I also believe that these children should be encouraged to marry as soon as they can support themselves.

I had an apartment and a job at 15. It is certainly doable and there is nothing like supporting oneself to make one responsible.

That's basically how it was back in the older times, many societies considered you an adult when you reach the age of 14. With few exceptions like entering into expensive contracts and a couple other things, you have the same responsibities as an adult. Personally, I think it should be that way.

However, our society is not structured like that anymore and it seems like we have a prolonged adolescence that lasts until 21 or even 30. Heck, there are many 30+ year olds that seem to play with rattles. B-P The 14 or 16 year old of 1900 and before or even 1950 were usually more mature than the ones today with few exceptions.

A compromise is some solution where all sides are not 100% happy but it will generally work, I'd keep the age of consent at 16.

Come to think of it, in earlier societies, men usually worked to establish a career, perhaps a home and some sort of nest egg until they were 30 or 40 and then when they were ready to marry, the wife was in her mid to late teens, perhaps 20. Some Biblical scholars seem to think Joseph was around 30, 35 or 40 and Mary was like 15/18 or so. I think your idea and what used to be can work if we had a society that trained their kids to the realities of life and to strong principles, I'm generally somewhat of a libertarian where we have to be accountable for our actions and I think even by 14 or 16, most people are able to be or they should be at least given the right bringing up and training.

[Nowhere Man]

Come to think of it, Baby Doc of Haiti became President at the age of 19. I know he made a mess of things but that’s another ruler that came to power at a young age.