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US Wont Promise Wont Shoot Down Israeli Planes
Israel National News ^

Posted on 04/21/2010 8:51:23 AM PDT by jhpigott

In a meeting with students at West Virginia University, a young pilot asked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. Army, Mike Malen, to comment on rumors that if Israel decides to attack Iran, its fighters will need to cross Iraq's airspace to reach their targets. The U.S. military has described this airspace as ‘closed to flights’. If so, would American forces shoot down Israeli planes flying over Iraq?

Malen's reply: "We have a strong exceptional relationship with Israel. I spent much time with my colleagues in Israel. And so we have a very clear understanding of where we are. Beyond that, I just would not want to get into speculation about what might happen and who might do what. Frankly, I do not think it serves any purpose. I hope that the issue will be resolved in the way which will never have to answer a question like this. "

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From an Israeli pov, that's not a very reassuring response and a message not to go it alone, or at least not without getting US permission first.

Have a hard time picturing the USAF shooting down IAF aircraft . . .

1 posted on 04/21/2010 8:51:23 AM PDT by jhpigott
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2 posted on 04/21/2010 8:53:34 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott

I can see a lot of pilots turning in their wings before engaging the IAF.


3 posted on 04/21/2010 8:53:34 AM PDT by AU72
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To: jhpigott

They might get the order to shoot, but may develop a sudden real bad sense of aim. Oooops, missed again.


5 posted on 04/21/2010 8:53:53 AM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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To: jhpigott

I don’t think the Chairman should comment on hypothetical US policy about shooting down an allies planes to some students. He is, afterall, a soldier.


6 posted on 04/21/2010 8:54:13 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Radioactive

Another glittering jewel for ...

Obama’s Outstanding Record of Dip-lunacy [and leftist dip-lunacy too]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2470815/posts


7 posted on 04/21/2010 8:54:14 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: jhpigott

But all those American Jews who helped put this idiot into office would probably still vote for him in ‘12!

They love the progressive agenda more than they do their fellow Jews with enough balls to live in the belly of the muzzie beast.

Go figure.


8 posted on 04/21/2010 8:54:15 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: jhpigott
It's hard to envision an Israeli attack on a US warship, or maybe not.

"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli jet fighter planes and motor torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the ongoing Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and a civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1]"

9 posted on 04/21/2010 8:55:07 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jhpigott
Have a hard time picturing the USAF shooting down IAF aircraft . . .

So do I. The USAF is so thoroughly inferior to the IAF in talent that it would take a lucky shot to even nick an Israeli plane. . .
10 posted on 04/21/2010 8:55:11 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: thefactor

I think you are correct.


11 posted on 04/21/2010 8:55:31 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: jhpigott

I wonder if they would shoot down Iranian planes going to bomb Israel?


12 posted on 04/21/2010 8:56:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: jhpigott

Shoot down an Israeli plane, and it won’t be a fertilizer bomb in OKC.


13 posted on 04/21/2010 8:56:54 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: jhpigott

Unless Obama himself learns how to fly...No Israeli planes will be shot at....


14 posted on 04/21/2010 8:56:55 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: jhpigott
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15 posted on 04/21/2010 8:56:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: AU72
I can see a lot of pilots turning in their wings before engaging the IAF.

Considering the IAF's kill ratio that is probably the safest option. These aren't the Iraqis that can barely fly their aircraft. Going up against the IAF is no easy kill. They have the same aircraft as the Americans, comparable or possibly better training, and better intel.
16 posted on 04/21/2010 8:57:07 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: AU72

I can see alot of pilots defecting to Israel....


17 posted on 04/21/2010 8:58:08 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: GeronL
I wonder if they would shoot down Iranian planes going to bomb Israel?

They would never get permission from the islamist-in-chief

18 posted on 04/21/2010 8:58:24 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 454 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: thefactor; jhpigott

True, he was right not to speculate. But the fact that there’s this much doubt about what this administration would do says a lot. We need to start acting like we know who our friends are or we won’t have any.


19 posted on 04/21/2010 8:58:26 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: GeronL

“I wonder if they would shoot down Iranian planes going to bomb Israel?”

Obama: STAND DOWN!


20 posted on 04/21/2010 8:58:31 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Don't think of work as 5 days on, 2 days off. Instead think 4 nights on, 3 off.)
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To: jhpigott

I bet IAF aircraft are still coded “friendly” on IFF.


21 posted on 04/21/2010 8:59:29 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: jhpigott
[IAF] fighters will need to cross Iraq's airspace to reach their targets.

Not necessarily. The IAF could fly over northern Saudi Arabia (with the Saudis' blessing) and then over the northern Persian Gulf to reach their targets in Iran. ...and the distance woudn't be that much greater than flying over Iraq. Mid-trip refueling would be a necessity either way.

22 posted on 04/21/2010 9:00:27 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: jhpigott
Well there are many ways to get from one point to another.

With the Israelis expect the unexpected.

23 posted on 04/21/2010 9:00:51 AM PDT by McGruff (So how is that Hopey Changey thingy working out for ya America?)
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To: jhpigott

I take this with a grain of salt. Remember who is running Washington these days, this answer is meant to avoid ruffling feathers there as much as it was to the student asking it.

It’s the DC two-step CYA dance and it’s getting a lot of practice by the big brass right now.


24 posted on 04/21/2010 9:00:58 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Paladin2

There’s always one.


25 posted on 04/21/2010 9:02:40 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Dallas59

Reminds of Americans volunteering to fight the Germans prior to the US involvement in WW2...think R.A.F.


26 posted on 04/21/2010 9:03:01 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: McGruff

Like the strike force staging at a base in Saudi, Turkey,
or one of the ‘stans.


27 posted on 04/21/2010 9:03:49 AM PDT by rahbert (Only a poor snake charmer blames his snake..)
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To: jhpigott

I think when the Israelis finally decide to do this they are first gonna present Barry and Slow Joe Biden with the Mother of All Distractions. The order will not be given until long after the deed is done.


28 posted on 04/21/2010 9:04:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: jhpigott

Well, they leave Israel no choice but to nuke Tehran. Life’s a b*tch sometimes.


29 posted on 04/21/2010 9:05:19 AM PDT by avoth
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To: jhpigott
The fact that such a question would even be asked or considered speaks volumes about our Kenyan embarrassment.
30 posted on 04/21/2010 9:06:03 AM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: Paladin2

One wonders why?

Either the Israelis are bloodthirsty monsters or the Liberty was engaged in activity that it wasn’t supposed to.


31 posted on 04/21/2010 9:06:42 AM PDT by avoth
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To: McGruff

Looking at the map, it would sure seem advantageous for the Israelis to develop a shallow-water carrier (or carriers) that could be positioned in the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and maybe Red Sea. Assuming such a thing is even possible, of course.

Would certainly add quite a bit to their capabilities.


32 posted on 04/21/2010 9:08:59 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Easy. Build another house for Jews in Jerusalem.


33 posted on 04/21/2010 9:09:04 AM PDT by avoth
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To: jhpigott

Fire that man NOW!


34 posted on 04/21/2010 9:09:40 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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35 posted on 04/21/2010 9:09:44 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.......Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Another Obama Diploonatic initiative.


36 posted on 04/21/2010 9:10:42 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: jhpigott
1. The CJCS is named   "Admiral Mike Mullen"  

2. The question reminds me of the of SNL skit  Desert Storm Press Briefing: 

Reporter #1: What date are we going to start the ground attack?
Lt. Col. William Pierson: Well, as I mentioned a moment ago, there are certain sensitive areas which we are just not going to go into, and that is certainly one of them. Yes?

Reporter #2: Sir, knowing what you know, where would you say our forces are most vulnerable to attack, and how could the Iraqis best exploit those weaknesses?
Lt. Col. William Pierson: Well, again, this falls into the area of information that might be useful to the enemy, and I just can't divulge it right now.

Reporter #3: Sir! Which method of hiding SCUD missiles is working best for the Iraqis?
Lt. Col. William Pierson: Now, this again is a good example of information that could help the enemy, and I just can't answer that.

37 posted on 04/21/2010 9:11:08 AM PDT by TankerKC (I think P. T. Barnum had his time off by about 59 seconds.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I was wondering about that.


38 posted on 04/21/2010 9:11:32 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: jhpigott

i would hate to be the pilot ordered by Bro to carry out such an order


39 posted on 04/21/2010 9:12:36 AM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: jhpigott

Although Hussein would very much *want* Israeli jets shot down there’s no way he’d allow it.The $hitstorm that would result...both internationally *and* domestically....would be something that even *Hussein* wouldn’t allow.


40 posted on 04/21/2010 9:13:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: mkjessup

Speculation is always so much more fun than a factual review.


41 posted on 04/21/2010 9:13:20 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: thefactor

I was hoping this was just some random military officer speaking out of turn, then I saw it was the Chairman of the Armed Forces


42 posted on 04/21/2010 9:14:25 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott

USAF would read about it the next day on Drudge. Nobody caught the Syria attack except IAF let Syria think they shot down a fake radar image.


43 posted on 04/21/2010 9:14:26 AM PDT by cqnc (Don't Blame ME, I voted for the American!)
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To: jhpigott

I’ll say it right now, before anything happens (because more and more looks like it will).

I will not support any US troops that willingly engage in military action against Israel.

I stand with Israel.


44 posted on 04/21/2010 9:15:04 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: avoth

What’s not to do in International waters?


45 posted on 04/21/2010 9:15:28 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: avoth
Either the Israelis are bloodthirsty monsters or the Liberty was engaged in activity that it wasn’t supposed to.

The Liberty tragedy has been waved as a bloody rag by anyone and everyone that might have an anti-Israeli agenda in their pocket for coming up on 43 years now.

Good thing the Liberty got shot up by the Israelis, otherwise the conspiracy types and Jew-haters in general would have to keep trying to tie the 'International Jewish Conspiracy' to the blowing up of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor.
46 posted on 04/21/2010 9:15:33 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: thefactor

No, he shouldn’t comment on a hypothetical question on U.S. policy. However, I’m very uncomfortable with the answer he gave. He could have (should have) just pointedly stated thaat he has no comment regarding such a hypothetical question and left it at that.


47 posted on 04/21/2010 9:16:05 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: jhpigott
2 years ago I had a hard time imagining much of what has become the “New Reality” of the “Comrade Zero era”.
I now believe it is a grave error to underestimate or dismiss anything from the “man-child wannabe king” or his regime.
48 posted on 04/21/2010 9:16:13 AM PDT by swamprebel
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To: Genoa

The fact that he was even asked this question, though, is troubling.


49 posted on 04/21/2010 9:16:25 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Paladin2
Speculation is always so much more fun than a factual review.

Well by all means, give us one, you sound like you're itchin' to give those pesky Israelis a stichin'.
50 posted on 04/21/2010 9:16:46 AM PDT by mkjessup
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