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Next bubble: $600 trillion derivatives? (Cities, states, universities could sink from meltdown)
Worldnetdaily ^ | 04/22/2010 | Jermone Corsi

Posted on 04/22/2010 9:48:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 04/22/2010 9:53:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

As interest rates begin to rise worldwide, losses in derivatives may end up bankrupting a wide range of institutions, including municipalities, state governments, major insurance companies, top investment houses, commercial banks and universities.

Defaults now beginning to occur in a number of European cities prefigure what may end up being the largest financial bubble ever to burst

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubble; derivatives; meltdown
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1 posted on 04/22/2010 9:48:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Governments worldwide at every level are filled with criminally stupid, but smug and arrogant idiots.


3 posted on 04/22/2010 9:51:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: SeekAndFind

I doubt bailing that out is even possible


4 posted on 04/22/2010 9:51:45 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wasn’t it after a depression in the 19th century that ordinary folk began string up bankers from lampposts?


5 posted on 04/22/2010 9:52:04 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: SeekAndFind

No big deal here. Its nothing more than statists, who put their “spending” in bank accounts over the last 80 years, just want to make a withdrawal. What kind of money do they want their withdrawal in? Answer: in chaos, anarchy, communism, central control (theirs).


6 posted on 04/22/2010 9:53:14 AM PDT by C210N (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why scam billions when you can scam...trillions?


7 posted on 04/22/2010 9:53:50 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: SeekAndFind
Harvard and all universities should pay income taxes on their investments. It might keep them from screwing around with derivatives.

The guy who had been running Yale's endowment was pretty good but a lot of it was from private equity. Harvard can go to h*ll. Almost every Ivy league grad I have known has been ethically challenged.

8 posted on 04/22/2010 9:55:28 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain & Graham = La Raza's favorite Senators)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am expecting our national debt to go to a quadrillion dollars. With this bailout in the making that shouldn’t be to difficult to achieve.


9 posted on 04/22/2010 9:57:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: GeronL
I doubt bailing that out is even possible

Some figures in perspective --- the US Government's latest budget is $3.5 Trillion. The US GDP is somewhere close to $14 Trillion.

The article states that we have $600 Trillion ( with a capital "T") worth of derivatives out there.

Bloomberg Reports that the number of hedge funds tripled in the last decade to a record of 10,233 at the end of June 2008, according to the Chicago-based Hedge Fund Research Inc.

More than one-third of those funds could be "wiped out" in the economic downturn that began in December 2008.

What is 1/3 of $600 Trillion ? $200 Trillion !. That's More than 10 times the US economy. Anyone still talking about bailouts ?

The solution would be to let all of these guys go bankrupt and declare all these deals null and void. They're all akin to gambling.
10 posted on 04/22/2010 9:59:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Good thing derivatives are legal.


11 posted on 04/22/2010 10:02:12 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SeekAndFind
Ultimately, the only long-term solution is for The People (everywhere) to realize that government (at any level) can only be trusted with extremely small amounts of money.
12 posted on 04/22/2010 10:02:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SeekAndFind

Let them go bankrupt should also apply to banks and car companies. We have an administration that wants to tax us to death to make bailouts part of the system.


13 posted on 04/22/2010 10:05:04 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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Those trillions in derrivatives have been out there for awhile.... should be interesting to see how they are settled.
14 posted on 04/22/2010 10:05:29 AM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum)
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To: SeekAndFind

This was old news last year. It was $600 trillion then and $600 trillion now. The largest banks would be dead except for an accounting ploys. Guess what didn’t get marked to market on whose books.


15 posted on 04/22/2010 10:07:35 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: SeekAndFind

aren’t derivatives essentially double dipping on a share of an asset or a loan. Package up securities up multiple times and then sell them. Contribute zero to society


16 posted on 04/22/2010 10:08:06 AM PDT by 4rcane
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Jerome Corsi explains derivatives thusly :


One of the original ideas behind derivatives was the realization that professional money managers, including those in banks, investment companies and hedge funds, needed to make bets to offset the possibility of taking losses.

A popular form of derivative contracts was developed to permit one money manager to “swap” a stream of variable interest payments with another money manager for a stream of fixed interest payments.

The idea was to use derivative bets on interest rates to “hedge” or balance off the risks taken on interest-rate investments owned in the underlying portfolio.

If an institutional investment manager held $100 million in fixed-rate bonds, for example, to hedge the risk, should interest rates rise or fall in a manner different than projections, a purchase of a $100 million variable interest rate derivative could be constructed to cover the risk.

Whichever way interest rates went, one side to the swap might win and the other might lose.

The money manager losing the bet could expect to get paid on the derivative to compensate for some or all of the losses.

In the strong stock and mortgage markets experienced beginning in the historically low 1-percent interest rate environments of 2003 through 2004, the number of hedge funds soared, just as the volume of derivative contracts soared from a mere $300 trillion in 2005 to the more than $600 trillion today.


17 posted on 04/22/2010 10:09:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: 4rcane
aren’t derivatives essentially double dipping on a share of an asset or a loan. Package up securities up multiple times and then sell them. Contribute zero to society

OH, but you can bet it sure does help the elitist Harvard/Ivy League snots.

18 posted on 04/22/2010 10:12:43 AM PDT by timestax (The so called news media is the enemy of freedom....timestax)
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To: 4rcane
Contribute zero to society

Should we even assume that most of these people care a WHIT about contributing to society ?
19 posted on 04/22/2010 10:17:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: GeronL

>>I doubt bailing that out is even possible<<

That is the way I have felt about this whole mess for over three years. It is one of the reasons I bought my farm in central Kentucky. We could, if need be, be completely self sufficient there.


20 posted on 04/22/2010 10:24:46 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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