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Legalizing Racial Profiling? Arizona Immigration Bill Draws Fire
ABC news ^ | April 22,2010 | HUMA KHAN

Posted on 04/22/2010 11:38:33 AM PDT by NoLibZone

An Arizona state bill that would give law enforcement greater authority over arresting illegal immigrants has caused national uproar and could set the stage for court battles over how far states can go when it comes to immigration policies.

The bill would it make it a crime for immigrants to have no alien registration document, and undocumented citizens would be charged with "trespassing" simply for being in Arizona. The bill allows police to question and arrest people without warrant if there is "reasonable suspicion" about their immigration status. It would become illegal for people to employ illegal immigrants or to transport them anywhere in the state, even if they are family members.

Critics of the bill charge that it essentially legalizes racial profiling, which will lead to an uptick in hate crimes.

"It is literally designed to make life so unbearable for undocumented immigrants that they leave the state," said Frank Sharry, founder and director of America's Voice, w

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1 posted on 04/22/2010 11:38:33 AM PDT by NoLibZone
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"It is literally designed to make life so unbearable for undocumented immigrants that they leave the state," said Frank Sharry, founder and director of America's Voice

And, this is bad because.......................?????????

2 posted on 04/22/2010 11:39:36 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: NoLibZone

Author profiled all illegals as being of one race.


3 posted on 04/22/2010 11:39:44 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Now- EVERY US Tax payer is an abortion provider. We are the great satan.)
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To: NoLibZone
Legalizing Racial Profiling?

Nope.
Legalizing state enforcement of our immigration laws, which should have been legalized long ago anyways.

4 posted on 04/22/2010 11:41:14 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: NoLibZone

They are here ILLEGALLY..what do these morons not get..they are breaking the law, their asses should be caught and deported


5 posted on 04/22/2010 11:41:15 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: NoLibZone
All of law enforcement is based on profiling in some manner.

But in the politically correct US we don't do it based on certain criteria that is deemed off limits.

6 posted on 04/22/2010 11:41:16 AM PDT by Red6 (Where's my stuff? I want some more stuff too Mr. President!)
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To: NoLibZone
Apparently at ABC they do not know THIS IS ALL READY THE LAW here in the USA.

It would become illegal for people to employ illegal immigrants

7 posted on 04/22/2010 11:41:21 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: NoLibZone

I LOVE the claims its unconditional.

That only the Fed can handle immigration.

This will create opportunities to stop the sanctuary cities and states at the non Hsipanic controlled federal level!


8 posted on 04/22/2010 11:42:37 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Now- EVERY US Tax payer is an abortion provider. We are the great satan.)
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To: NoLibZone

Arizona,
PLEASE DO NOT BACK DOWN FROM THIS! PLEASE STAND YOUR GROUND AND PHHHHHHBBBBTTTTT!!!!! ON THE COMPLAINTS FROM PRO-ILLEGAL IMMGRATION PEOPLE!


9 posted on 04/22/2010 11:42:53 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: Puppage

There should be some way to institutionalize suicidal idiots like the guy who made that statement. He needs to be in a padded cell somewhere in a straight-jacket.


10 posted on 04/22/2010 11:44:55 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: NoLibZone
Not like they (MSM, libs, etc) racially profiled the whole entire Tea Party as racist hate mongering homophobes! Nope! They didn't do that, did they!
11 posted on 04/22/2010 11:45:02 AM PDT by avacado
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To: NoLibZone

If you’re taking flak, you’re over the target.


12 posted on 04/22/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: NoLibZone

Excellent point! (one I’ve made often, BTW)

This also lets LEO check the immigration status of white guys with thick scotish brogues or black women who speak Senagalese.


13 posted on 04/22/2010 11:45:30 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (We were hoping for flying unicorns that crapped skittles. We got nationalized health care.)
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To: MNJohnnie
It would become illegal for people to employ illegal immigrants

Technically (not that it is enforced) it is a Federal Crime to hire an illegal alien. This will make it a state crime, and most likely it will get enforced. If this measure passes, I would anticipate that Arizona will have the lowest unemployment rate in the US within 6 months.

14 posted on 04/22/2010 11:46:33 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: NoLibZone
"It is literally designed to make life so unbearable for undocumented immigrants that they leave the state,"

Sounds like the perfect plan, then. Hey, buddy, they ain't "undocumented immigrants", they're illegal entrants who are guilty of felonies.

15 posted on 04/22/2010 11:47:17 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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“It is literally designed to make life so unbearable for undocumented immigrants that they leave the state”....

Boy!....Nothing gets past this Shirlock!


16 posted on 04/22/2010 11:47:53 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NoLibZone

“racial profiling”???? I guess the police are supposed to go out and look for little old men and ladies from Germany? The police have a duty to enforce the law and illegals are braking the laws of the State and Federal government.


17 posted on 04/22/2010 11:48:53 AM PDT by RC2
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To: NoLibZone

When the FedGov abdicates its responsiblity to monitor the borders, from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama, then how can anybody blame Arizona for attempting to control the influx.

I mean, ranchers are dead, land is despoiled, crime increases and illegals flood the country and the people are supposed to just take it quietly?


18 posted on 04/22/2010 11:49:20 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: NoLibZone

STOP ALL PROFILING NOW!!!!!

No use of: age, sex, race, language spoken, religion, height, weight, hair color, eye color, moles, tattoos....... cloths, car color, type, year........ /sarc


19 posted on 04/22/2010 11:50:13 AM PDT by Red6 (Where's my stuff? I want some more stuff too Mr. President!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Nice one!

Someone breaking the law = criminal. It’s a CRIME to be in this country illegally. Enforce the laws and secure our borders. One of the few things the federal government should be doing.

This is not a victimless crime. With 10% unemployment (17% actual) these are jobs being taken from Americans and given to illegals. They drive down wages for Americans and their children wind up on welfare and jail in numbers similar to African-Americans.

The stand down order for our nation’s borders needs to be rescinded.

Banks that aid and abet criminals by giving them accounts and loans without having a social security number should be PROSECUTED. Another unreported story by the MSM = loans given to illegals with no income tax return.

Also, student loans are being given to illegal aliens. Absolutely insane.


20 posted on 04/22/2010 11:50:21 AM PDT by TigerBait
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To: NoLibZone

And it is done easily:

AZ Senator: Mr. Sherry, how many members does VoA claim and how many are citizens of Arizona?

Sherry: [Makes up a number]

Senator: Would you say that that number constitutes a plurality or even a majority of the people of Arizona?

Sherry: No.

Senator: Would you say that the Arizona legislature comprises representation for a plurality of the citizens of Arizona?

Sherry: Yes

Senator: No further questions Mr. Chairman.


21 posted on 04/22/2010 11:52:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (We were hoping for flying unicorns that crapped skittles. We got nationalized health care.)
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To: NoLibZone

Critics of the bill charge that it essentially legalizes racial profiling, which will lead to an uptick in hate crimes.

And, this is why I am against it. My wife is Chinese. She LOOKS Chinese. But she is now an American citizen. Perhaps in Arizona, she wouldn’t be stopped and asked to prove her existence. Someone who looks Mexican, would probably be “stopped”. I am fine with this ONLY if they also consistently stop someone who looks African, or Swedish or whatever.


22 posted on 04/22/2010 11:55:51 AM PDT by Paisan
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“And, this is why I am against it. My wife is Chinese. She LOOKS Chinese. But she is now an American citizen. Perhaps in Arizona, she wouldn’t be stopped and asked to prove her existence. Someone who looks Mexican, would probably be “stopped”. I am fine with this ONLY if they also consistently stop someone who looks African, or Swedish or whatever.”

You’ll likely get your wish. The amnesty bill Graham/Schumer are pushing calls for a biometric ID card for EVERYONE to be able to get a job. That means you, your wife, all of us.
Either you profile them and enforce the law or we all get the police state. Is that what you want??

I have to prove who I am every time I do anything but you’re afraid someone who shouldn’t be here in the first place might have to??


23 posted on 04/22/2010 11:59:43 AM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: Paisan

They do at BP checkpoints here in So Cal an Az.

Everyone gets stopped and checked.


24 posted on 04/22/2010 12:00:36 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Now- EVERY US Tax payer is an abortion provider. We are the great satan.)
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To: NoLibZone

Sounds like ABC has its panties in a wad again. Everything is racial profiling to these asshats, when in fact we are talking about legal certification of residency. Kind of like the certification for the Presidency, oh yeah, I forgot, we don’t do that anymore. Okay, everyone is a racist.


25 posted on 04/22/2010 12:01:05 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: NoLibZone

So asking people who are clearly Mexicans if they’re in the country illegally is “racial profiling.” Apparently looking for a black murder suspect after the victims friend identified the shooter as black would ALSO be racial profiling??!!


26 posted on 04/22/2010 12:01:32 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: NoLibZone
Other races profile and stereotype whites with impunity.

27 posted on 04/22/2010 12:03:31 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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If I were caught in the interior of Mexico, without a valid tourist our work visa, I could be arrested by a cop, an army soldier, a customs puke or even a godda%n meter maid!!!

I would then be arrested and frog marched straight to jail.

NO AUTOMATIC RETURN TO THE US!! Mexican illegals here get sent straight back to Mexico over and over.

My relatives would likely then get a call requesting “bail” funds of 10K be sent to obtain my release.

The hypocrisy of the “Mexican Government” complaining about abuse of their citizens in the US is sickening.


28 posted on 04/22/2010 12:06:41 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan
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To: NoLibZone

If they are here without proper papers——THEY ARE TRESPASSING !!! This is beyond simple, IMO.

How looney can the left be?

How about these same illegals break into a home of this writer?

Will that be OK?


29 posted on 04/22/2010 12:06:56 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

“It is literally designed to make life so unbearable for undocumented immigrants that they leave the state”....

I guess it works...

“Illegal immigrants increasingly go north”
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1543281520080115?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico (Reuters) - Illegal immigrants from Latin America are heading deeper into the United States to find work and avoid deportation as crackdowns in border states like Texas and Arizona make life more difficult for them.

**12 illegal immigrants arrested during traffic stop in Cloquet (MN)***
http://www.twincities.com/ci_14888830?source=most_viewed


30 posted on 04/22/2010 12:09:12 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: NoLibZone

Why is racial profiling wrong when economic profiling
is the law of the land and all are subject to it?


31 posted on 04/22/2010 12:12:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NoLibZone

The only thing White Americans can do that isn’t racist is to surrender their land, history, wealth, property, children, and vital organs to the third world.

Now that we’re at that point, ok you got me, I’m a racist.


32 posted on 04/22/2010 12:12:44 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: tet68

You want consistency, get a loaf of bread.


33 posted on 04/22/2010 12:14:02 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! - Deficit, Debt,- Pfft! Lookit the bright side of our legacy - Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: NoLibZone

Many areas have been bending over backward for illegals. Illegals have been able to drive without a driver’s license, no insurance, and have been cut breaks that citizens are not- simply because it was not PC to “bother illegals.” Maricopa County Arizona actually had a special DUI/DWI court set up for minorities a few years ago where the penalties and fines were no where near as harsh as they were for others.

I think this law is simply a correction- sending a message to LEO that people are not above the law simply because they are here illegally. Arizona is finally fed up with illegals taking over their jobs, overwhelming social services, and bankrupting their state.


34 posted on 04/22/2010 12:19:41 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: NoLibZone

Just wondering, is there a law that makes “racial profiling” illegal? Because there ARE laws that make it illegal to be in this country without proper authorization and documents.


35 posted on 04/22/2010 12:31:53 PM PDT by NEMDF
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Yes.

A fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States is equal protection under the law. Along with this right to equal protection is the fundamental right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures by government agents as guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.


36 posted on 04/22/2010 12:40:52 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Now- EVERY US Tax payer is an abortion provider. We are the great satan.)
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That is just a bad law. It invites the state to issue an I.D. card to everyone and demand proof of some status for only the mere suspicion on the part of the Policeman.


37 posted on 04/22/2010 12:47:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Local news here is reporting a bus load of protesters from L.A. on the way.


38 posted on 04/22/2010 12:49:58 PM PDT by SMM48
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Be int resting to see the make up of the protesters.

I bet the organizers profiled to fill the bus.


39 posted on 04/22/2010 1:42:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Now- EVERY US Tax payer is an abortion provider. We are the great satan.)
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To: Vendome
"That is just a bad law. It invites the state to issue an I.D. card to everyone"

Just as we need to when driving a car.

Buying beer or cigs.

Buying or renting a home.

Getting a hotel room.

or even getting a kid into little league.

40 posted on 04/22/2010 1:45:51 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Now- EVERY US Tax payer is an abortion provider. We are the great satan.)
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The bill allows police to question and arrest people without warrant if there is “reasonable suspicion”

For walking down the street

For Breathing

For Being a passenger in a car or boat.

For Being in a hotel room

For Being at the shopping mall

For buying tamales in the parking lot of a grocery store.

For speaking Spanish

For sending wire money back to (fill in the line)__________

For having an accent(Irish people are excused)

For buying Beer or Cigarettes(Yep, you did write that already but there is some assumption of ones age, at a certain point and I am never asked for my I.D.. Punk Bastards. I ain’t that old, yet)

For going to a concert

For going to the Mercado

For eating sangre, menudo or pickled pigs feet

For being nervous in the presence of a policeman

For going to the flea market

For living in a garage

For living in a shack behind someones house

For not having tags on your car(a valid crime but to compound it by asking for special I.D.?)

You might not fit the criteria for having a “Illegal Alien” card but the demand could be upon you to produce it.

The list goes on...


41 posted on 04/22/2010 2:25:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AuntB

I have to prove who I am every time I do anything but you’re afraid someone who shouldn’t be here in the first place might have to??

We ALL have to do this - for a drivers license, for example. But pulling someone over because they look “foreign” is where I draw the line.


42 posted on 04/22/2010 2:26:51 PM PDT by Paisan
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“We ALL have to do this - for a drivers license, for example. But pulling someone over because they look “foreign” is where I draw the line.”

In Arizona much of the population is hispanic. They are not ALL going to be ‘pulled over’. This will simply allow Arizona to ask about legality if they are confronted with anyone who is obviously here illegally..... Houses with 25 occupants, home depots with dozens of non English speakers, protests with Mexican flags, etc. will more than keep them busy.


43 posted on 04/22/2010 2:54:38 PM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: Vendome

Police can already do that. What this bill does is gives them the authority to determine whether the person is here legally.


44 posted on 04/22/2010 3:06:58 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: NoLibZone

GOOD!


45 posted on 04/22/2010 3:19:12 PM PDT by Mac from Cleveland ("See what you made me do?" Major Malik Hasan)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

So a policeman can walk up to me anywhere, anytime and demand my I.D.?

I must have missed that in pre-law but, then again I never became an attorney. If you know of some new law that I missed, where I am compelled to give my I.D. to a policeman for doing nothing more benign than breathing or walking down the street, let me know.

This ain’t Nazi Germany, yet.

Besides, how can they be issued I.D. for anything, if in fact they are here in violation of our immigrations laws?

I mean we could issue a State I.D. while they are in prison but we couldn’t hand them an I.D. that says “I am here illegally and committing a whole host of felonies, that blue eyed people would go to prison for but, I am exempt”.

How does an I.D. card stating you are breaking the law work? Reasonably? Logically?


46 posted on 04/22/2010 4:02:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Police aren’t going to be stopping eveyone asking “Papiere bitte!” Not going to happen. What’s going to happen is that when they do stop someone for something other than ‘being Mexican’ (which is what you are afraid will happen... it won’t), the officers will ask if the person is here legally. People here legally have valid ID. Those who aren’t, don’t, and will be put in the tender care of the USBP.

No, this isn’t Nazi Germany. I had concerns similar to yours prior to reading the bill. Its only 17 pdf pages long. It is a good bill, and AZ needs to lead the way with this. It will help close the borders.


47 posted on 04/22/2010 4:33:57 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Slippery slope....

Is there a law compelling me to state “I am an American” or “I am here on a visa”?

Heck, I don’t have to say a word to them. They can Mirandize me and I will sit around on my 5th amdnt.

There are 30,000 Irish people here illegally, more Chinese, some Canadian, some Australian, etc. Will they be compelled to pull out some special I.D.? How will an office NOT KNOW whether or not that person is here illegally?

Why shouldn’t Americans have to prove they are here legally and are citizens.

Oops, Barry hasn’t been to forthcoming on his identity.

Again, how do you legitimize someone being here when they are here illegally in the first place. You can’t.


48 posted on 04/22/2010 5:06:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AuntB

Get ‘em where they work. If they can’t work here, they won’t stay here. Obviously, laws already exist that prohibit illegals from employment in this country. Perhaps, at this time, those laws only apply to companies that are on government contract. Those laws should be expanded to apply to ANYONE employing an ILLEGAL - at the Federal, State and local level.


49 posted on 04/22/2010 5:18:10 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Vendome

Your argument isn’t quite making sense to me. Illegals can’t pull out a special ID. Those here legally can (green cards, visas, etc.) Those who are here illegally cannot, and should not, be legitimized. They should be deported. Americans have ID that can be verified. Yes, some illegals will have false documents that pass scrutiny, but most do not, because the .gov hasn’t really cared about it... until AZ decided to.

Please don’t tell me you are for open borders!


50 posted on 04/22/2010 5:56:32 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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