America’s Great Divide: Tax Payers vs. Non-Payers

Human Events ^ | 23 April 2010 | Martha Zoller

[Wolfie]

Oh, we’re going to get taxes based on consumption. No doubt about it.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

"This plan will save or create over three million jobs -- almost all of them in the private sector."

-Barack Hussein Obama on his "economic stimulus" plan.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“What happens to a society where as many people pay into the system as take out of it?”

Look out your window. It’s happening right this minute!

[from occupied ga]

America’s Great Divide: Tax Payers vs. Non-Payers

A more appropriate dichotomy would be "Tax Payers vs. Government Enabled Thieves"

[central_va]

There are three kinds of people.

1. Those that want to run other people lives.
2. Those that want others to take of them.
3. Those that are self reliant, independent.

Group 1 and 2 have a symbiotic relationship and cannot co-exist with group 3.

The are really no peaceful political solutions to this, sorry. You are either free or not free. That includes economic freedom.

[BelegStrongbow]

Guess the ‘reconciliation process’ is going to get a serious workout from here to November, then. :(

[YoungHickey]

Oh, we’re going to get taxes based on consumption. No doubt about it.

Seems like the only doubt is them repealing the other taxes.

[MamaTexan]

If we don’t balance this burden, the country will remain divided and we’ll have turmoil for generations to come.

A great article, but the O won't listen.

Changing our country to a Communist nation depends on turmoil, whether it be about taxes, financial regulations, legalized racism, or any other public policy bestowed upon us by our 'betters'.

[YoungHickey]

Group 1 and 2 have a symbiotic relationship and cannot co-exist with group 3.

Seems like this would be illustrated well with a flow chart.

[Wolfie]

Oh, no doubt at that either. They’ll stay.

As for people not paying taxes, does that go for GE and EXXON too?

[Daveinyork]

It’s taxpayers vs tax consumers, and it always has been.

Picture this scenario. You are shovelling snow so that you can get to work. Your neighbor is not shovelling snow. He is the same age as you, but he was a government employee, and is now retired. You cannot afford to retire. You are in the private sector, and it’s your taxes that are funding your neighbor’s retirement. You’re shovelling snow before going to work. He’s in Florida for the winter.

Later, you slip and slide home from work on poorly cleared, or uncleared roads. Remember, your tax money is funding your neighbor’s retirement, not road maintenance, like it is supposed to.

You open your mail box, and there is a post card from your neighbor in sunny Florida. If you do not throw an ice ball through your neighhbor’s window, your restraint is admirable, probably because you are a conservative and you believe in property rights.

Here is a big faultline in the next American civil war.

[central_va]

Maybe a VENN diagram

[Touch Not the Cat]

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[NC28203]

>>>We’ve got to have a flatter, fairer tax code that is based on consumption.

I understand the thinking about this, but I think the Republicans proposing what would result in higher taxes on the middle class is going to be a hard sell.

[central_va]

A Constitution, such as ours, when not followed is worse than no Constitution at all. For the illusion of the protection provided, the Constitution has been bastardized by the SCOTUS for over a century, it now is only a fig leaf for the naked state-st to ply his trade "legally".

We need to stop being so sentimental and look reality in the face or have another Civil War....

[K-oneTexas]

How will that happen? Why would the ‘Republican’ proposal result in higher taxes on the middle class? Which ‘Republican’ proposal?

Please explain your thoughts, possibly examples.

[YoungHickey]

Maybe a VENN diagram

I tried but the premise of a VENN diagram is that you all have something in common... and I just can't find any common ground with Marxists.

[MrB]

Political separation is the only way this divide will end without bloodshed.

The division will get more strident and hateful, no matter which group has the power in the federal government,
because each group will be attempting to force their ideology on the other.

Make no mistake, “the other side” views being “forced to be responsible” with the same hatred as we view being forced into their collective.

[NC28203]

>>>How will that happen? Why would the ‘Republican’ proposal result in higher taxes on the middle class? Which ‘Republican’ proposal?

Currently 47% of households pay no income tax. If you go to a consumption tax, all of those households will be paying taxes. Thus, they will be paying more in taxes. While a plan may allow for a refund of a certain dollar amount to low income, I'm guessing it would not wipe it out completely for all households. If it does wipe it out for those 47% of households, then how does that resolve the issue of "everyone paying their fair share"?