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America’s Great Divide: Tax Payers vs. Non-Payers
Human Events ^ | 23 April 2010 | Martha Zoller

Posted on 04/23/2010 6:26:48 AM PDT by K-oneTexas

America’s Great Divide: Tax Payers vs. Non-Payers

"So I've been a little amused over the last couple of days where people have been having these rallies about taxes. You would think they would be saying thank you."—President Barack Obama, April 15, 2010

Mr. President, with all due respect, you don’t get it. The Tax Day Tea Parties weren’t about taxes alone, they were also about spending.

And the tax cuts the President often talks about are, by and large, one-time checks that will do nothing to protect the taxpayer from future tax hikes. And he is concealing many tax increases in his budget right now.

One of the cornerstones of the Tea Party movement is that our tax system is broken and patently unfair. About as many people are exempted from paying federal income taxes as pay them. We’ve created a system where the Americans can’t sit across the kitchen table and talk about the problems with their tax burden because no one’s taxes are figured the same way. I believe that is by design. Our lawmakers like the chaos it creates.

I support the Fair Tax, but one thing is sure, our system is “so 20th Century” by taxing production and not consumption. In 2001, President Bush told us to live our lives after 9/11. He wanted Americans to get back into the economy and spend. We are an economy based on consumption and we ought to have a tax code reflecting that.

Ironically, the Bush tax cuts made the divide between the income-tax payers and the non payers wider by exempting from federal income taxes a large number of low-income earners. What happens to a society where as many people pay into the system as take out of it? It becomes divided, permanently.

We have a system where 50% of the people pay payroll taxes and very little income tax and the other 50% pay payroll taxes and most of the income tax. It’s insidious because lower-income people think they are paying their payroll taxes to fund Medicare and Social Security. In theory that’s correct, but we haven’t used Medicare and Social Security taxes solely for that purpose since LBJ was President. How bad it the divide? Cluster Stock’s “Chart of the Day” from Tax Day shows this divide in bold colors.

“Another Tax Day is another reminder for millions of working Americans how much of their hard-earned money flows to Washington each year. What’s more is the Democrats in charge are only getting started,” Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) said. “In just over one year, President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority in Congress have enacted 14 tax hikes, amounting to more than $670 billion in gross tax increases. Simply put, that’s more than $2,100 for every man, woman and child living in the United States.”

Westmoreland knows we can’t afford it. You know we can’t afford it. If we continue down this road, we can’t come back from it. If you have a large number of people thinking they don’t pay taxes, they are going to vote to keep these policies in place. The truth is that the folks who think they don’t pay (federal income) taxes are really carrying the heaviest burden in relation to their income. They pay most of their tax burden in less progressive payroll taxes.

Rep. Paul Broun (R.-Ga.) takes it further, “As Americans file their income taxes; many are forced to face a painful reality. The average income has decreased 3.2% and business owners continue to reduce their payroll because they can’t afford to pay their employees and the federal government. There is no doubt that our tax code is unfair, inefficient, and lacks provisions to promote real, economic growth.”

Congress continues to abuse their power and continues to seize any new opportunity to tax and spend. Take a look at the states who are weathering this recession the best. States like Texas enjoy lower taxes and that creates more incentives and opportunities for economic growth. States like California, Michigan, and New York, which have large state governments and high taxes, are currently facing big unemployment numbers and even bigger debts.

We’ve got to have a flatter, fairer tax code that is based on consumption. Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendment to the Constitution which would abolish the income tax and return the selection of senators to the states. Sunset the current code and pass the Fair Tax.

While that seems impossible now, did anyone think 16 months into an Obama presidency that Rep. Ron Paul (R.-Tex.) would be polling dead even with President Obama in a 2012 match up? Anything can happen in this environment.

This is a time of great change. Change on the level we saw in the early 1900s and the 1960s. What kind of change will it be? We cannot sustain a system where the people cannot discuss and debate their tax burden with their government. November will be the watershed for this movement. If we shake things up enough in November, we can right the Titanic of tax policy and spending and get Americans back at the kitchen table debating tax policy.

Let me end where I started with the President and his “musings” about the Tea Party movement. It’s not just about taxes, it’s the whole package. Spending needs to be cut by one third and the tax code needs to be replaced. If we don’t balance this burden, the country will remain divided and we’ll have turmoil for generations to come. Stop being “amused” Mr. President and listen to your constituents, you might learn something.


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1 posted on 04/23/2010 6:26:48 AM PDT by K-oneTexas
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To: K-oneTexas

Oh, we’re going to get taxes based on consumption. No doubt about it.


2 posted on 04/23/2010 6:31:09 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: K-oneTexas
"This plan will save or create over three million jobs -- almost all of them in the private sector."

-Barack Hussein Obama on his "economic stimulus" plan.

3 posted on 04/23/2010 6:31:44 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: K-oneTexas; All

“What happens to a society where as many people pay into the system as take out of it?”

Look out your window. It’s happening right this minute!


4 posted on 04/23/2010 6:31:56 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: K-oneTexas
America’s Great Divide: Tax Payers vs. Non-Payers

A more appropriate dichotomy would be "Tax Payers vs. Government Enabled Thieves"

5 posted on 04/23/2010 6:33:08 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: K-oneTexas
There are three kinds of people.
  1. Those that want to run other people lives.
  2. Those that want others to take of them.
  3. Those that are self reliant, independent.

Group 1 and 2 have a symbiotic relationship and cannot co-exist with group 3.

The are really no peaceful political solutions to this, sorry. You are either free or not free. That includes economic freedom.

6 posted on 04/23/2010 6:33:09 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: Wolfie

Guess the ‘reconciliation process’ is going to get a serious workout from here to November, then. :(


7 posted on 04/23/2010 6:33:55 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Dear Leader: you have two ears and one mouth. Start using them in proportion.)
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To: Wolfie
Oh, we’re going to get taxes based on consumption. No doubt about it.

Seems like the only doubt is them repealing the other taxes.

8 posted on 04/23/2010 6:35:25 AM PDT by YoungHickey (Is it time yet, Claire?)
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To: K-oneTexas
If we don’t balance this burden, the country will remain divided and we’ll have turmoil for generations to come.

A great article, but the O won't listen.

Changing our country to a Communist nation depends on turmoil, whether it be about taxes, financial regulations, legalized racism, or any other public policy bestowed upon us by our 'betters'.

9 posted on 04/23/2010 6:36:00 AM PDT by MamaTexan (NO ONE owes allegiance to an unconstitutional government)
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To: central_va
Group 1 and 2 have a symbiotic relationship and cannot co-exist with group 3.

Seems like this would be illustrated well with a flow chart.

10 posted on 04/23/2010 6:37:23 AM PDT by YoungHickey (Is it time yet, Claire?)
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To: YoungHickey

Oh, no doubt at that either. They’ll stay.

As for people not paying taxes, does that go for GE and EXXON too?


11 posted on 04/23/2010 6:43:28 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: K-oneTexas

It’s taxpayers vs tax consumers, and it always has been.

Picture this scenario. You are shovelling snow so that you can get to work. Your neighbor is not shovelling snow. He is the same age as you, but he was a government employee, and is now retired. You cannot afford to retire. You are in the private sector, and it’s your taxes that are funding your neighbor’s retirement. You’re shovelling snow before going to work. He’s in Florida for the winter.

Later, you slip and slide home from work on poorly cleared, or uncleared roads. Remember, your tax money is funding your neighbor’s retirement, not road maintenance, like it is supposed to.

You open your mail box, and there is a post card from your neighbor in sunny Florida. If you do not throw an ice ball through your neighhbor’s window, your restraint is admirable, probably because you are a conservative and you believe in property rights.

Here is a big faultline in the next American civil war.


12 posted on 04/23/2010 6:53:22 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: YoungHickey

Maybe a VENN diagram


13 posted on 04/23/2010 6:54:34 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: K-oneTexas

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Bkmk


14 posted on 04/23/2010 7:09:09 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: K-oneTexas
>>>We’ve got to have a flatter, fairer tax code that is based on consumption.

I understand the thinking about this, but I think the Republicans proposing what would result in higher taxes on the middle class is going to be a hard sell.
15 posted on 04/23/2010 7:09:34 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: Daveinyork
A Constitution, such as ours, when not followed is worse than no Constitution at all. For the illusion of the protection provided, the Constitution has been bastardized by the SCOTUS for over a century, it now is only a fig leaf for the naked state-st to ply his trade "legally".

We need to stop being so sentimental and look reality in the face or have another Civil War....

16 posted on 04/23/2010 7:14:05 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: NC28203

How will that happen? Why would the ‘Republican’ proposal result in higher taxes on the middle class? Which ‘Republican’ proposal?

Please explain your thoughts, possibly examples.


17 posted on 04/23/2010 7:24:05 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: central_va
Maybe a VENN diagram

I tried but the premise of a VENN diagram is that you all have something in common... and I just can't find any common ground with Marxists.

18 posted on 04/23/2010 7:25:16 AM PDT by YoungHickey (Is it time yet, Claire?)
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To: central_va

Political separation is the only way this divide will end without bloodshed.

The division will get more strident and hateful, no matter which group has the power in the federal government,
because each group will be attempting to force their ideology on the other.

Make no mistake, “the other side” views being “forced to be responsible” with the same hatred as we view being forced into their collective.


19 posted on 04/23/2010 7:27:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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>>>How will that happen? Why would the ‘Republican’ proposal result in higher taxes on the middle class? Which ‘Republican’ proposal?

Currently 47% of households pay no income tax. If you go to a consumption tax, all of those households will be paying taxes. Thus, they will be paying more in taxes. While a plan may allow for a refund of a certain dollar amount to low income, I'm guessing it would not wipe it out completely for all households. If it does wipe it out for those 47% of households, then how does that resolve the issue of "everyone paying their fair share"?
20 posted on 04/23/2010 7:29:18 AM PDT by NC28203
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