Retired Army general: Lt. Col. Lakin has 'valid point'

World Net Daily ^ | April 23, 2010 | Chelsea Schilling

[Uncle Chip]

Vallely added, "You can call witnesses. I would call the state government of Hawaii. I would require [proof of] which hospital he was born in. I'd want verification from the doctor or the nurse or whomever witnessed it that, in fact, it did happen in Hawaii. That has not been done to date. These are questions that have not been answered, and that's what concerns many people."

Well Said -- General Vallely.

Now let's see if the judicial panel will grant him his rights to discover that which the soldiers in Afghanistan, as well as the judicial panel, are dying to know and have every right to know.

How they handle this case will tell us a lot ---

[DTogo]

Let the Alinsky-esque smear campaign against Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely begin...

[al baby]

Just for argument sake what if he was born in 1958 before hi. became a state?

[May31st]

I wonder why Kenya also has sealed records on Obama... (Kenya doesn’t have any records on me... After all, I was born here, and I’ve never even been to Africa.)

I wonder if there is any way to unseal those.....

[Kleon]

Having US citizen parents is criteria 2.

While that's an interesting interpretation, no court in the United States is ever going agree with you. They will echo the Ankeny v Gov of Indiana case, where the court said, "persons born within the borders of the United States are natural born citizens, for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

[narses]

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[RWGinger]

Then it would be the same as if he was born in Kenya. NOt born a citizen.

For sure his original BC has something odumbo doesn’t want see.
I get tired of those of us who want him to come forward getting called kooks and extremist.
I am happy to see people like this good Doc ask for proof.

[May31st]

He would (still) be ineligible. No real need to argue this moot point, though.

[Uncle Chip]

If Obama was required to produce anything (and this is highly unlikely), the COLB he's already shown would be sufficient.

Yeh -- but which COLB???

The COLB that he decides to present might just be sufficient evidence of FRAUD on his part implicating Pelosi and the DNC and the state of Hawaii.

So have at it --

[May31st]

“...persons born within the borders of the United States are natural born citizens...”

Careful now - that line of reasoning would suggest that a Mexican couple could illegally cross our border into TX and plop out a baby who could later grow up to be President.

Do you really want to suggest that?

[Steve Van Doorn]

[Mr Rogers]

Being legally adopted in Indonesia (which there is no evidence of happening) would not require him to file for US citizenship at 18.

No actions by your parents can cost you your citizenship if born in the USA. You would have to take a pro-active step, like refusing to live in the USA, voting as the citizen of another country, etc. Something that actively shows you have accepted citizenship elsewhere is required. Without it, your USA citizenship stands.

If you have evidence that Obama served in the Indonesian Army, or voted in their elections, you might be on to something...

[cvq3842]

A few thoughts:

1. If an American soldier is captured, is there a risk that the people holding him or her will say they are not subject to POW treatment because their orders are from an ineligible CIC? I know the enemy doesn’t follow any rules anyway, but it seems that our military is now subject to an additional risk.

2. I think it’s also possible that what is being hidden is that Obama Sr. was not his biological father. There is speculation - and all there can be at this point is speculation - that Frank Marshall Davis was his father. Maybe Obama was deemed a more “palatable” choice (wasn’t Davis married?) and so the deception has been kept up.

I’m wondering if somehow the most anyone will get is some kind of private showing to the court of the original birth documents, and a pronouncement that Obama is a natural born citizen, and nothing else. the media would have a field day proclaiming the “birthers” wrong without ever bothering to ask why the hell Obama didn’t release the document to the public.

I think people should be prepared for anything. Even if he’s a natural born citizen, there’s something he desperately wants hidden. Being exposed as a total liar would be damaging too - although again the media would spin it for him.

[Mr Rogers]

“It seems pretty clear a Natural Born citizen is one born to 2 US citizens.”

That is one of two plausible interpretations. To date, the courts and Congress have supported the other one.

[paythefiddler]

I see less and less trolls on this issue
I think we’re winning
this is not going away

[Logical me]

I have always believed, based in the unwillingness to prove what should be easy to accomplish, that this nitwit con man King Obama is not eligible. He is a sick liar. He cannot tell the truth about anything. Among other things, it is a requirement that proof of citizenship is required to run for president. He is a black hard core communists Muslim criminal.

[OldDeckHand]

"Just for argument sake what if he was born in 1958 before hi. became a state?"

Nothing. Goldwater was born in AZ when it was just a territorial possession, not a state. The only people who made it an issue in 1964, and it was barely an issue, was the kooky left.

[cvq3842]

Yup. And unfortunately most of the media are ignoring, and not reporting, this simple fact.

[Mr Rogers]

My theory is that Obama’s father was unknown, and that he received Obama’s name later. But even a long form wouldn’t settle the issue, unless it said UNK for father...I think they take the mother’s word, and the husband would be assumed.

[deport]

Interesting in that like all court cases there are lawyers on both sides saying they are correct. The General quoted in this article has one opinion and below is a snip from another officer with a differing view. It will be interesting to see the final outcome of the Court Martial trial.

http://www.military.com/news/article/army-calls-birther-docs-bluff.html

Snip
Phil Cave, a retired Navy judge advocate general who now practices military law as a civilian, said that even if Lakin does decide to deploy as scheduled, the Army still may be able to prosecute him. Under Article 88, Cave said, a servicemember can be charged for making disrespectful comments or remarks about the president.

Cave believes that Lakin’s supporters in the birther movement hope that a court-martial will give defense attorneys the authority to seek, through discovery, other documents to help make their case.

“They think that by using [servicemembers in a court-martial] they can get discovery like you could in any criminal prosecution,” he said. “That ain’t gonna happen. They’re not going to have discovery where they’re going to get the president to produce a birth certificate because, I’m reasonably certain, no military judge, no appellate court and no federal court, and no U.S. Supreme Court is going to say they have a right to get that as a matter of discovery.”
end snip

So the back and forth continues until will get a judgement from the Trial.