This thing doesn't have a seal certifying it. Can you spell BOGUS?
And that notice on the bottom? Look at the certificate number -- that's an alteration.
Posted on 04/23/2010 8:47:39 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
His aim is to get into the federal courts on appeal.
LOL...VaTTel
Thank you kind sir
I must have been thinking of that great thinker, Latrell Spreewell
This paragraph from Lattrel’s work is the best definition and explanation for why a nations leader MUST be natrual born
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Oh really? Where am I wrong?
What standard did the states, the voters, and Congress use for Obama? Name a court case where Obama’s eligibility for President has been rejected, or a member of Congress who has agreed that “It seems pretty clear a Natural Born citizen is one born to 2 US citizens.”
I know you want there to only be one possible interpretation, but lots of folks - voters, Congress & the Courts - seem to think there is another valid interpretation. If you refuse to deal with that fact, you won’t make any progress...you’ll just continue a perfect record of losing every case.
But if you like losing, proceed ahead.
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution did that for those "subject to the jurisdiction of the states" and it only made one a "citizen" -- not a "natural born citizen".
There's nothing in the Constitution that creates a separate class of citizens who are born as U.S. citizens but not actually natural-born citizens.
Except for Article II of that Constitution.
I thought you had to be 35 years old to be President.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president. A president must:
* be a natural born citizen of the United States;[7]
* be at least thirty-five years old;
* have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.
Cool, I thought so. Didn’t think they raised it to 45 just yet, although with the longer lifespans of today versus the 1700’s, it might should be.
Military Law and Precedents Volume page 49, states all orders come from the Commander in Chief or his representatives.
Ah, Friday’s indeed.
A very fine definition from Mr. Vatrell, good find.
But Vattel’s is pretty good too!
;^)
“...NBC=2 Citizen Parents!!!!!”
Close!
NBC = 2 Citizen Parents ***AND*** Born on U.S. soil.
Their website says they require:
"Original birth certificate issued in the U.S. or its territories or a copy certified by the agency that issued the original certificate or a copy certified by a Bureau of Vital Statistics or a state Board of Health within the United States (a hospital-issued certificate is not acceptable)"
Hey I can only multitask so much and it ain’t easy mixing margaritas in the HOV lane . fliiping off reckless drivers AND using my berry
But thanks for keeping me on the right path. :)
In 2004 his son, PFC Scott Vallely, died during his fourth week of the Special Forces Qualification Course.
He is of course a combat veteran of the Vietnam war, having served two tours there. His final assignment was as Deputy Commanding General, US Army, Pacific.
Much of his experience seems to be in Special Operations and Civil-Miltary Affairs. He is co-author of Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror
This is not an insubstantial person.
I believe that to be the case as well. QW in the D.C. district court no doubt.
This whole ‘communism’ by heredity thing is a bit silly. You aren’t ‘born a communist’... just ask Stalin and Castro’s daughters. My political views are nothing like my fathers. Now if what you’re saying is that Davis, because he was a mentor to Obama had an influence.. that’s a different story..but most of these posts I see about Davis seem to suggest that communism is somehow inherited with the blood. Your post doesn’t go that far but I thought I’d throw it in as I’ve seen the ‘son of the evil commie’ meme a few too many times. It seems to me that if Obama’s grandparents had no problem with Davis being Obama’s mentor, I don’t see why they’d have a problem with him being known as the father. For one thing it would have saved the hi-jinks people describe them going through to get an American birth registered. As the child of two US citizens it would not have mattered if Obama was born in the Amazon rain forest, he’d have still been natural-born American. I also doubt there was concern over Davis’ martial status - the American left of that period as now was pretty much ‘free-love’ and all that. I agree with you, there is something this man wants hidden. Most likely in my opinion, he used ‘foreign student’ status to obtain funds for college.
This whole ‘communism’ by heredity thing is a bit silly. You aren’t ‘born a communist’... just ask Stalin and Castro’s daughters. My political views are nothing like my fathers. Now if what you’re saying is that Davis, because he was a mentor to Obama had an influence.. that’s a different story..but most of these posts I see about Davis seem to suggest that communism is somehow inherited with the blood. Your post doesn’t go that far but I thought I’d throw it in as I’ve seen the ‘son of the evil commie’ meme a few too many times. It seems to me that if Obama’s grandparents had no problem with Davis being Obama’s mentor, I don’t see why they’d have a problem with him being known as the father. For one thing it would have saved the hi-jinks people describe them going through to get an American birth registered. As the child of two US citizens it would not have mattered if Obama was born in the Amazon rain forest, he’d have still been natural-born American. I also doubt there was concern over Davis’ martial status - the American left of that period as now was pretty much ‘free-love’ and all that. I agree with you, there is something this man wants hidden. Most likely in my opinion, he used ‘foreign student’ status to obtain funds for college.
Isn't that the same case the cited the POTUS requirements as coming from AII,Section 1, Clause 4 (four) instead of clause 5?
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