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Armed militia organizing in Cochise County
Kold.Com ^ | April 23, 2010 | Jim Becker

Posted on 04/23/2010 8:58:20 AM PDT by BradtotheBone

Bill Davis is calm and methodical as he describes his group's goals.

You could say he has a deadly earnestness.

"If we think they're carrying drugs, weapons, contraband, we'll get out in front of 'em and stop 'em," says Davis. "They won't get past us. You can write into that what you want, short of shooting them."

Davis is recruiting combat veterans, with kill records, to camp out and patrol along the border, and he isn't afraid to let the world know.

"I want the word to get out, and I'm sure it is, that the routine isn't going to be tolerated anymore," he adds.

Why kill records? Davis says he wants professionals-- "no wannabes, no Rambos."

"If it comes to when shots are fired in the general direction of these guys, they have my authorization to return fire, if they're in defense of their life or their buddy next to them, return fire, stop it as fast as it starts, and they're capable of it.

And as fast as it starts, believe me, they'll stop it," promises Davis.

"It's very dangerous, and it's very risky," says Tony Estrada, Sheriff of neighboring Santa Cruz County. "They don't know exactly what these cartels reaction is going to be if they get in the way."

Estrada worries members of the militia could get caught in a crossfire between law enforcement and traffickers. He also says smugglers could view militia as 'rip-off artists'.

"These individuals that are moving people or drugs through these remote areas of the border will stop at nothing," adds Estrada.

In any event, Davis says he has received 8,000 applications for the armed patrols from all over the US and Canada and could have several dozen militia members ready to act within a few hours notice.

"What we do is we act as a glorified neighborhood watch, and we're a deterrent," he says.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; militia

1 posted on 04/23/2010 8:58:21 AM PDT by BradtotheBone
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To: BradtotheBone

“It’s very dangerous, and it’s very risky,” says Tony Estrada, Sheriff of neighboring Santa Cruz County. “They don’t know exactly what these cartels reaction is going to be if they get in the way.”

Frankly I’d like to see some of this.


2 posted on 04/23/2010 9:01:51 AM PDT by wita
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To: BradtotheBone

You know, I just can’t seem to find it in my heart to object to this.


3 posted on 04/23/2010 9:02:10 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: BradtotheBone

“It’s very dangerous, and it’s very risky,” says Tony Estrada, Sheriff of neighboring Santa Cruz County. “They don’t know exactly what these cartels reaction is going to be if they get in the way.”

Fall down and bleed? Sounds like the outcome Mr. Davis has in mind.


4 posted on 04/23/2010 9:03:49 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: wita

I’m betting that most of the drug activity takes place at a NORMAL border crossing, but I could be wrong in view of boat and airplane stories.


5 posted on 04/23/2010 9:03:50 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita
“They don’t know exactly what these cartels reaction is going to be if they get in the way.”

I'm sure there are widows of police and public officials you could ask. Or maybe look to the rancher that was found murdered on his own propery.

I'd advise they "go big" or go home.

6 posted on 04/23/2010 9:04:14 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Oberon

This guy has gone public. I wonder how many have not?


7 posted on 04/23/2010 9:05:09 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: Repeat Offender

I’d advise they “go big” or go home.

The retaliation factor on our soil is the unknown that no one wants to contemplate, and a dang good reason for a change in the border control, or lack of, and a wholesale change in the WOD.


8 posted on 04/23/2010 9:07:41 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

From the sheer volume, I suspect most of the truly bulk shipments come over water than over land.

And of course, much of the pot and virtually all of the meth are made in the USA.

In any event, God knows it is no arduous task to find cocaine in the US.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 9:08:13 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: Psalm 144

I am told by older gentlemen who live along the border that there have already been cases of ranchers applying the three S’s on cross-border predators


10 posted on 04/23/2010 9:09:18 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: BradtotheBone

The feds are not going to do their job of securing the border. Glad to see we have patriots willing to step up and do it.


11 posted on 04/23/2010 9:10:59 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Oberon
I am told by older gentlemen who live along the border that there have already been cases of ranchers applying the three S’s on cross-border predators

I'm surprised it's taken this long.

12 posted on 04/23/2010 9:11:14 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BradtotheBone
Seems like the US Government would have an organization capable of this job....like....some sort of border group with guns. Maybe a patrol of some sort.

Or a military. I've heard of other governments that have military groups....called "armies" that defend the borders of those countries.

It's weird. It seems like we'd have something like that.

13 posted on 04/23/2010 9:11:34 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: wita

Was he was the same guy hosting the game show, “Estrada or Nada” on “My Name is Earl” ?


14 posted on 04/23/2010 9:12:09 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: Oberon

That would be Sh***, Sh****, and Sh****.


15 posted on 04/23/2010 9:12:43 AM PDT by wita
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To: BradtotheBone
Estrada worries members of the militia could get caught in a crossfire between law enforcement and traffickers.

Ha! When would the Obummer administration ever authorize any LEO to fire on someone crossing the border into the US illegally?

16 posted on 04/23/2010 9:21:38 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

good question “Seems like the US Government would have an organization capable of this job....like....some sort of border group with guns. Maybe a patrol of some sort.”

did obama just announce the Army took the 1st Combat Brigade of the 3rd ID and turn them into fighting “ civil unrest” Because there is so much civil unrest here in teh USA

Send the Brigade to the border


17 posted on 04/23/2010 9:26:02 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: BradtotheBone
Well before Obama's inauguration many of us predicted that he would fail to police the border against future Democrat voters. That prediction was easy.

Equally easy is the observation that American citizens will do what they have done since before Lexington and Concord, since even before the French and Indian war, that is, they will form militias to protect themselves against tyrants and criminals.

The real battle is not on the borders but on the television screens where the war over illegal immigration will be won or lost. Obama and the Democrats will pander to the Hispanic vote and the Republicans like Lindsey Graham will waffle as Obama plays the race card. The question is, where will the country be?

As in virtually every case, politics in America is not local but ultimately racial.


18 posted on 04/23/2010 9:26:19 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: wita

Frankly I’d like to see some of this.

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They’re signing folks up ... what’s to stop you?


19 posted on 04/23/2010 9:27:19 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

Sounds good to me. Government can’t seem to do ANYTHING right.


20 posted on 04/23/2010 9:29:49 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Oberon

“I am told by older gentlemen who live along the border that there have already been cases of ranchers applying the three S’s on cross-border predators.”

If you are hearing it, then someone isn’t applying the third S effectively enough.


21 posted on 04/23/2010 9:34:02 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

Well, the information I presented is all I was told. No specifics, just that it had already happened. Some years ago as I recall. It’s just a rumor, but if you know the conditions down on the border, it’s a very believable one.


23 posted on 04/23/2010 9:38:24 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: BradtotheBone

I don’t think these guys know exactly what they’re up against. Its no longer some down-on-his-luck mule, shuffling across the border for a pay-off on the other side. Its now dedicated killers who glory in the mass murdering, beheadings and dismemberment of the people who stand in their way.


24 posted on 04/23/2010 9:38:55 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: TexasRepublic

“I am told by older gentlemen who live along the border that there have already been cases of ranchers applying the three S’s on cross-border predators.”

If you are hearing it, then someone isn’t applying the third S effectively enough.”

Correct!!

Logic tells me that ranchers were forced into his position many years ago and they aren’t going to run from the intruders—drug cartels or not. Ranchers know every inch of their properties. Illegals don’t.
I don’t have thousands of acres, but I could backhoe a body here with no trouble at all.


25 posted on 04/23/2010 9:42:10 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: wita
Ya know, the liberal media would be aghast at the notion that someone on FR might be suggesting "Shoot Shovel Shush" to stop illegal border crossings.

However, before some troll goes running back to their masters to report that such a thing be even mentioned on FR, it's worth a mention that for them, it's acceptable when talking about how to keep people from smoking.... Comments on NPR radio website.
26 posted on 04/23/2010 9:42:30 AM PDT by domeika
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To: BradtotheBone

“It’s very dangerous, and it’s very risky,” says Tony Estrada, Sheriff of neighboring Santa Cruz County. “They don’t know exactly what these cartels reaction is going to be if they get in the way.”

If the government effectively took on this obligation, private citizens wouldn’t have to. One wonders, when the government fails to do its job, if its institutional incompetence, lack of resources or a volitional political choice.


27 posted on 04/23/2010 9:45:00 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Deb

The border states need to pass laws, similar to the “Stand your ground” laws, that authorizes the use of deadly force against illegal alien trespassers.


28 posted on 04/23/2010 9:45:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Deb

Right, so if they don’t do it, and the Sheriff is a wuss, and the federal gov’t won’t do anything, then these overly dangerous people you’re talking about are going to walk right in.

That’s what you want? What’s your solution?


29 posted on 04/23/2010 9:48:30 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: wita
Frankly I’d like to see some of this.

I understand you, wita. It's high time US citizens responsibly undertake to defend our country against criminal cartels.

And so the inevitable border war between the United States and Mexico gets ratcheted up another notch. We are clearly under attack, but our gov't ignores this plain fact.

“It’s very dangerous, and it’s very risky,” says Tony Estrada, Sheriff of neighboring Santa Cruz County.

Which is why extraordinary citizens must do what law enforcement lacks the will to do, and the is, DEFENDING our country.

Of course, the above statements by me are only predictions of what is likely to occur, as I do not advocate anyone breaking any laws. Let me also add that there are certain moral laws that override any man-made law.

30 posted on 04/23/2010 10:01:12 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (President Zero, walking in the footsteps of Hugo Chavez)
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To: AlmaKing
My "solution" is to inform these guys of the enemy they face so they can arm up. Pistols and shot guns won't do anything if the drug gangs launch a full terror-sized attack on them in the middle of the night to make an example of them.

They have murdered thousands of people in the past few years and no police or government agents were spared mass beheadings and being dumped by the side of the road.

I'm hoping the border "Neighborhood Watch" guys bring enough fire power.

31 posted on 04/23/2010 10:03:45 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

The cartels rely on a thoroughly cowed populace, thus the violence against unarmed people. The cowards that carry out this violence act in the dark, under cover of night.

The cartels greatest fear is of the populace rising up against them. Armed, battle tested, American Army trained folks arrayed against them would be an absolute disaster to their operations. Cowards do not go for stand-up fights, and they likely realize that they have no chance against a trained, veteran force.

Oh, and I suggest somebody go and check that local Sherriff’s bank account for suspicious large deposits...


32 posted on 04/23/2010 10:05:26 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog

See #31


33 posted on 04/23/2010 10:09:18 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

It wouldn’t be a crossfire...that would imply that both sides were shooting, and Obama would never allow our forces to return fire.


34 posted on 04/23/2010 10:22:57 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: nathanbedford
As in virtually every case, politics in America is not local but ultimately racial.

Yikes. I have never heard it put that way. I must ponder. I fear that you are entirely correct.

35 posted on 04/23/2010 10:55:50 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: BradtotheBone

About time someone went lock and load on coyotes and drug cartels.

That sheriff needs to either help defend the ranchers...or get out of the way. Any attempt to stop Bill Davis’ group means you are aiding and abetting the drug cartels


36 posted on 04/23/2010 11:23:35 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD Hayworth for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com)
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To: Psalm 144

They need to buy some surplus armored vehicles and light helicopters.


37 posted on 04/23/2010 11:41:06 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: BradtotheBone

So, with this latest bit of escalation, I wonder if the Mexican troops who have repeatedly invaded the USA will fire upon the militia to “protect the interests of Mexican citizens.”

That would be the next step in the escalation of this war that is not a war, since we already know that the smugglers and thugs from the cartels have no qualms against firing on US citizens, at which point troops would have to be mobilized lest more citizens form up to take matters into their own hands. The federales would not be able to stomach free people exercising their rights in such a fashion.

In all likelihood, it would lead to national guard or active duty troops being sent to “enforce the peace” through martial law, undoubtedly confiscating firearms from citizens in the process under that pretense.


38 posted on 04/23/2010 1:00:22 PM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: Redleg Duke
and Obama would never allow our forces to return fire.

That was m'point.

39 posted on 04/23/2010 1:27:20 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: dmz

WORK!


40 posted on 04/23/2010 2:16:33 PM PDT by wita
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To: Redleg Duke

Not thirty minutes ago upon hearing the news of the Arizona law passing I next hear the President of the United States is mulling a court challenge. I unfortunately lost control of my tongue. I was driving at the time, and did not lose control of my vehicle.


41 posted on 04/23/2010 2:23:50 PM PDT by wita
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping! (Again...new article.


42 posted on 04/23/2010 2:50:48 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, not a Race ~)
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To: Deb

It’s totally the other way around.

The amount of restraint shown by Americans n the face of the borders being overrun is mind-boggling!

For the most part, Americans living on border areas have shut up, turned their heads and looked in another direction, and let the government make the decisions and set the policies.

If that approach fails, and the people take the initiative, all bets are off. Heck, the last time we had a little disagreement with Mexico it only took our guys like five days until they had captured Mexico City!


43 posted on 04/23/2010 3:01:15 PM PDT by djf
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Posse Comitatis


44 posted on 04/23/2010 5:13:25 PM PDT by Kackikat (There is no such thing as a free lunch, because someone paid, somewhere.)
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To: BrewingFrog

Way to go, militias. It is the people’s army.


45 posted on 04/25/2010 6:39:44 PM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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