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S.Korea raises warship, finds clues on sinking (torpedo)
Yahoo News ^ | 24 April, 2010 | Jon Herskovitz and Jungyoun Park

Posted on 04/24/2010 2:03:58 AM PDT by XHogPilot

South Korea on Saturday raised the front half of a warship that exploded and sank a month ago near a contested sea border with North Korea, finding clues that support growing suspicions Pyongyang attacked the vessel.

The 1,200-tonne corvette Cheonan sank in what military officials said was a torpedo attack.

Forty-six South Korean sailors were killed in what could be one of the deadliest strikes by Pyongyang on its rival since the end of the Korean War. The North denies involvement.

South Korea's president on Friday gave the clearest signal yet Seoul had no plan to launch a revenge attack, calming investors worried that armed conflict would damage the South's economy.

"The catastrophic costs of a war on the peninsula will greatly constrain the U.S. and South Korean options for a military response, which thus remains an unlikely trigger for major military conflict," the global strategy group Control Risks wrote in a research note this week.

The front end of the ship was raised by a giant sea crane and drained before being placed on a barge.

One body has been found so far in the just-raised wreckage and six sailors were still missing, Yonhap news agency reported. The bodies of most of the 46 missing were found in the stern section raised earlier this month. Another 58 were rescued alive.

"The way a hatch (near where the ship split in two) had been thrown off its hinge indicates there had been a very strong external impact," Yonhap quoted an unidentified military official as saying, adding weight to the torpedo theory.

A survey team that includes experts from South Korea, the United States and Australia said after the rear of the ship was raised the Cheonan had been destroyed by an external explosion. That stoked suspicions of the torpedo attack.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: axisofevil; dprk; korea; nkorea; noko; norks; northkorea; pyongyang; rok; skorea; southkorea; submarine; torpedo
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Where is "never let a crisis go to waste" Obama? Probably trying to figure out how to defeat S Korea.
1 posted on 04/24/2010 2:03:59 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: XHogPilot

He is following the globalist elite’s plan for a Korean theater of WWIII.


2 posted on 04/24/2010 2:32:47 AM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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To: XHogPilot

One backassward 0 we have


3 posted on 04/24/2010 3:14:20 AM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: XHogPilot

A tip of the hat to the collective wisdom of FR on this one. With a few posts of the first article, there was a clear consensus here that it was a torpedo; it was not much longer than that that many posted that SK would, shall we say, give peace a chance.


4 posted on 04/24/2010 3:50:19 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Sorks are reasoned people, they know what needs to be done and will do it in good time.


5 posted on 04/24/2010 4:05:20 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: XHogPilot

Soooo,
HOw long will the rest of the world allow deviant scum like N. Korea and Iran to act as beligerants, killing and bullying?

Also, last week my son and I went to sun N Fun in Lakeland Fla where we watched an A-10 do some neat tricks for all to see.
Great time.


6 posted on 04/24/2010 4:07:54 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: jiggyboy

A tip of the hat to the collective wisdom of FR on this one.
* * *

Good instincts and common sense.


7 posted on 04/24/2010 4:21:55 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: Canedawg
Good instincts and common sense.

That does seem to be limited to FR based on what I have read on other forums.

8 posted on 04/24/2010 4:24:37 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: jiggyboy

That sort of thing is very, very common for a great many important events. Rathergate and the Duke Lacrosse political prosecutions come to mind.


9 posted on 04/24/2010 4:26:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: raybbr

Those traits seem to be in short supply these day.


10 posted on 04/24/2010 4:32:35 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: XHogPilot

The only reason that America’s smaller allies haven’t developed nuclear weapons is that America has credibly assured them that we would defend them if needed. That is obviously not the case. There is no way a communist American president would go to war against or use nuclear weapons on another communist state. I think that South Korea, Taiwan and Japan had better develop nuclear deterrence as quickly as possible. I’m not sure how best to state this, but America no longer has allies. Or, American allies no longer have America as an ally in anything but name. When the fighting gets real and dirty, they will be by themselves. Democrats complained that the Evil Bush had damaged America’s standing in the world. What on Earth have they done to America’s standing?


11 posted on 04/24/2010 5:09:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: XHogPilot

N.K sinks warship of S.K. Leader of S.K. proclaims “We do not plan to do anything about it”. Hmmm. Why have Warship in first place. Target practice for enemy?


12 posted on 04/24/2010 5:21:56 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: XHogPilot

I am sure the Navy guys on here will agree with me, but few things hurt a nations pride when one your fine naval vessels are sent to the bottom because of cowardly, surreptitious acts that under any other circumstances would be the opening shots of active conflict.

South Korea must not let this stand. I am pretty positive they will respond in time.


13 posted on 04/24/2010 5:27:25 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Molon Labbie

If South Korea is in any way limited by the current occupant of the White House, I expect there will be a good bit more of this “act like nothing’s wrong” approach. It will invite a lot more bad behavior. But the self-hating government we have now thinks we deserve it.


14 posted on 04/24/2010 6:44:55 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Molon Labbie
I am pretty positive they will respond in time.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

They already likely know the vessel which launched the torpedo, the captain of that vessel and the chain of command which initiated and passed the order.

All of them will be dead within 5 years. ALL OF THEM.

The SORKIES ARE WORSE THAN THE MOSSAD, if one can conceive that.

Obie Won Kanobie wants to ve VERY careful around the Sorkies now.One wrong move and he is on their to hit list.Obie Won Kanobie is already likely on the Mossad's list.

15 posted on 04/24/2010 6:48:34 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: XHogPilot
South Korea's president on Friday gave the clearest signal yet Seoul had no plan to launch a revenge attack, calming investors worried that armed conflict would damage the South's economy.

Measuring their freedom and the sailors' lives in dollars. Pathetic.

16 posted on 04/24/2010 6:50:38 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Likely because they know N Korea was doing this to egg them on to war.

They I ASSUME AT LEAST will find other ways to respond than all-out war...I hope.


17 posted on 04/24/2010 7:10:40 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rwfromkansas

Likely the NK’s see the Obamaist regime period a wide window of opportunity for unopposed Leftist aggression.


18 posted on 04/24/2010 7:18:45 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Democratics' Obama Cr*pcare: the gift that stinks more and more.)
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To: rwfromkansas

How about big targets on all their ships sides.


20 posted on 04/24/2010 7:43:41 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: jiggyboy; AmericanInTokyo; Lady Jag
This is China's doing. They know Obama is the weakest prez since Carter. They simply got the Norkies to test "how" weak Obama is.

Answer: Obama is very, very, weak.He will not overtly respond militarily to a direct attack on an ally.

Do you have ANY idea what this means for Taiwan? For Japan?For Israel? For South America where Iran now has its operative Khuds force?

Obama moves one finger wrong now and the Sorkies will want Obama out of thier lives, permanantly.

I will applaud them.

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We are in the process of getting rid of the idiot, before he causes World War III.If anyone gave me his plug, I would pull it immediately.

22 posted on 04/24/2010 8:06:41 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: LovelyJules

Welcome to FR. You seem to want this to happen — for people to die. (Also I find some of your comments on other threads early this morning interesting as well.)


23 posted on 04/24/2010 8:25:26 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: XHogPilot
Where is "never let a crisis go to waste" Obama?

Playing golf in Asheville today on a much needed (?) vacation before he heads out to "sell" his further takeover of America at more union and illegal alien rallies. That's where.

24 posted on 04/24/2010 8:28:58 AM PDT by Gritty (I'm a little amused when people at the rallies complain about taxes - B. Hussein Obama, 04/15/2010)
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To: Shady

[Sorks are reasoned people, they know what needs to be done and will do it in good time.]

From what I’ve heard, they are nastier than the Russians when it comes to payback. They just won’t announce it.


25 posted on 04/24/2010 8:33:22 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Canedawg

The live 9-11 thread pegged Bin Laden within minutes of the second tower getting hit. I’ve never forgotten it because - at the time - I had no idea what the FReeper was talking about.


26 posted on 04/24/2010 8:43:51 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Molon Labbie

It was a torpedo, why wasn’t it detected by visual/acoustic or other means? I don’t know about Corvettes, so I need to ask.


27 posted on 04/24/2010 8:46:00 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Canedawg

Oh...and who could forget Buckhead and Dan Rather.


28 posted on 04/24/2010 8:46:07 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: LovelyJules

The sad fact is that tyrants continue to kill and hurt others, wars are sometimes the better bottom line.


29 posted on 04/24/2010 8:47:57 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: LovelyJules

Agreed regarding the threat of North Korea. Don’t know if South Korea is going to be protected by the US adequately, frankly. And, China? Well, that’s a question mark, is it not? What would they do?

All it takes is a spark, and we’ve got problems here. I hope Kim Jong-Il can be handled some other way still — even if others deem it useless... At least that’s what I pray for all the time — I don’t want more fronts to open up across the world. It may be unavoidable, but if it is I would try... Not to the extent of Chamberlain with Hitler though — know that!

I hope against hope that the people of NK would see the truth, and stand against their leadership. However, I do recognize that the level of brainwashing in that country is frankly, astounding. Either that, or people go along to get along — with no choice visible to them.


31 posted on 04/24/2010 8:56:03 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Contrasted, or perhaps alongside that, Saddam was also identified by those within the military very quickly.


32 posted on 04/24/2010 8:58:21 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LovelyJules
Why not a war?

Sometimes the thing that argues the loudest against war, is that it is exactly what your enemy wants.

33 posted on 04/24/2010 9:06:34 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: XHogPilot; TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo

How can there be no response?

That has to rile people of the south. So the north can kill them and sink their ships with impunity and get no reaction?

What will that do the S Korea government?


34 posted on 04/24/2010 9:15:41 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
New South Korean Naval Flag??:


35 posted on 04/24/2010 9:18:58 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: XHogPilot
All NK has is the threat of a massive artillery strike for the first hour of war that would devastate Greater Seoul.

Find a way to neutralize that and they have nothing.

36 posted on 04/24/2010 9:29:55 AM PDT by AU72
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“South Korea’s president on Friday gave the clearest signal yet Seoul had no plan to launch a revenge attack, calming investors worried that armed conflict would damage the South’s economy.”

Jeez, what a weak-kneed, spineless response to an outright attack.


37 posted on 04/24/2010 9:45:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: Loud Mime

I am not technically proficient in that field, there are some bubbleheads on the forum who could paint a better picture, but perhaps the sub that fired it was very close, and the torpedo came in hiding in the screw noises of the corvette.


38 posted on 04/24/2010 9:50:30 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: LovelyJules

“There may be a lot of casualties for the brave soldiers,”

There will be a lot of dead American soldiers (again) if this goes hot again.
Not something to taken lightly by any measure.


42 posted on 04/24/2010 9:59:32 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Chairman Mao was a community organizer)
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To: LovelyJules

If China did this, and not North Korea.....hmmm...


44 posted on 04/24/2010 11:03:17 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: LibertyRocks
I've always wondered, is there any news or word of some sort of North Korean resistance or underground? Does one exist at all? I fear that any that try are ruthlessly crushed without a peep to the outside world, like you'd read in 1984.
45 posted on 04/24/2010 11:24:43 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Loud Mime

Modern torpedoes are not like what you see in the movies (at least not all the torps).

Modern torpedoes can troll at lower speeds with virtually no acoustic signature, and then sprint the final 150/200m when there is little or no defense. Also, even if the SKs DID hear “high speed screws” there is little they could do in time.

Secondly, this occurred in relatively shallow water and the acoustics would be pretty lousy for a SONAR operator — lotsa surface noise, the sound of their own screws, etc.

Most likely though the sub was close enough that when torpedo went to high speed, there was no chance of counter measures or effective maneuvering.

Torps are much faster than a ‘corvette’ like this.


46 posted on 04/24/2010 2:49:41 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: LovelyJules
It’s time the North Karean people be freed from tyranny of Kim Jong il.

Why is the freedom of the North Korean people worth the lives of tens of thousands of U.S. and South Korean troops?

47 posted on 04/24/2010 2:57:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: XHogPilot
"The catastrophic costs of a war on the peninsula will greatly constrain the U.S. and South Korean options for a military response, which thus remains an unlikely trigger for major military conflict," the global strategy group Control Risks wrote in a research note this week.

So, how long does he think North Korea can sustain a war? It that army in tip top shape? Can they mount any kind of broad offensive? Would they rain a gas attack on Seoul? The little toad is about to kick off, are his successors more reasonable? How about a decapitation strike?

48 posted on 04/24/2010 2:59:13 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: LovelyJules
There may be a lot of casualties for the brave soldiers, but the end result is better for all.

Then by all means join up. The Marines are always looking for a few good men - and women - and last time I checked today's army wants to join you. Hurry and you can make it over there in time before the balloon goes up.

49 posted on 04/24/2010 3:00:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: XHogPilot

I am sure that the administration is “closely monitoring” the situation.


50 posted on 04/24/2010 5:27:06 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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