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To: jamese777
As has been pointed out previously... whether you want to admit it or not, courts are still political in nature. My parents were sued and their land was taken away from them by eminent domain. Because no notice was given to them prior to the decision to take their property which was a violation of our State's laws their case made it all the way to our State Supreme Court.

The State Supreme Court made a decision based on “facts” that were never introduced in trial and were actually outright lies. They decided that because Sound Transit supposedly had posted several layers down on their website that at a meeting that was not actually even open to public input that they were going to be discussing the acquisition of certain real properties between Seattle and Olympia... that sufficient notice had been given. My dad had never even touched a computer at that time. The decision was a politically influenced farce. The twisted logic that they used was based on lies and precedents that had no relationship to reality.

So jamese777 don't try to tell me that the decision of some hack court in Indiana is the last word on this. As has been pointed out courts are political bodies. Their reasoning is often influenced by politics more than sound legal reasoning. In our state the justices are elected like all other politicians.

For those who are interested. In the end my parents legal expenses were far more than what they actually received in compensation for their land. Their legal expenses were over $550,000. They still owed $500,000 on the land. They were awarded $450,000 with no compensation for their legal expenses. Inferior property across the street which was smaller and had several major problems associated with it sold for over a $1,000,000 ten years before. Sound Transit spent approximately $1,500,000 in legal expenses trying to keep from paying a fair price, not including a PR campaign designed to spread disinformation and a whole lot of political arm twisting.

104 posted on 04/27/2010 3:13:20 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

As has been pointed out previously... whether you want to admit it or not, courts are still political in nature. My parents were sued and their land was taken away from them by eminent domain. Because no notice was given to them prior to the decision to take their property which was a violation of our State’s laws their case made it all the way to our State Supreme Court.
The State Supreme Court made a decision based on “facts” that were never introduced in trial and were actually outright lies. They decided that because Sound Transit supposedly had posted several layers down on their website that at a meeting that was not actually even open to public input that they were going to be discussing the acquisition of certain real properties between Seattle and Olympia... that sufficient notice had been given. My dad had never even touched a computer at that time. The decision was a politically influenced farce. The twisted logic that they used was based on lies and precedents that had no relationship to reality.

So jamese777 don’t try to tell me that the decision of some hack court in Indiana is the last word on this. As has been pointed out courts are political bodies. Their reasoning is often influenced by politics more than sound legal reasoning. In our state the justices are elected like all other politicians.

For those who are interested. In the end my parents legal expenses were far more than what they actually received in compensation for their land. Their legal expenses were over $550,000. They still owed $500,000 on the land. They were awarded $450,000 with no compensation for their legal expenses. Inferior property across the street which was smaller and had several major problems associated with it sold for over a $1,000,000 ten years before. Sound Transit spent approximately $1,500,000 in legal expenses trying to keep from paying a fair price, not including a PR campaign designed to spread disinformation and a whole lot of political arm twisting.


If the courts are so “political in nature” why are birthers continuing to use those very same “political” courts to force Obama to defend his eligibility?

Thus far 69 lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility have been dismissed, denied a hearing or rejected on appeal at every level of the judiciary and in practically every state in the nation.

No plaintiff has yet prevailed in any of them.

Yes, you can rationalize and spin all those lawsuits until you’re blue in the face; be my guest. But the facts and the decisions handed down speak for themselves.

The US Supreme Court, with a conservative majority of Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas has refused seven different challenges to Obama’s eligibility. You can call any court that disagrees with you “hacks” if it suits your fancy, but your perjoratives mean absolutely nothing other than the sound and fury of a fool, signifying nothing.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.” —Albert Einstein

Using civil lawsuits to force a decision from a court on Obama’s eligibility has been tried 69 times now and failed every single time.

My approach is to switch tactics and use the CRIMINAL court system not the civil lawsuit route. Find a prosecuting attorney, a US Attorney like Patrick Fitzgerald who brought down Rod Blagojevich, a state Attorney General like the Attorney General of Hawaii Mark Bennett who is a Republicans, or even a local district attorney who is a law and order conservative. Get that prosecutor to convene a Grand Jury investigation of the authenticity of Obama’s birth records. Under a Grand Jury investigation, a subpoena can be issued for Obama’s original birth documents and they can be examined by experts under oath.
That is the way I would try to resolve this issue once and for all.


106 posted on 04/27/2010 3:38:45 PM PDT by jamese777
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