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To: El Gato

I think you mean US. vs Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939).

Thank you, I stand corrected. Yes, McReynolds wrote it, but it was from the Hughes Court, that was overturned by the Roberts Court in 2008.

By a 8-0 decision declaring that a sawed-off shotgun had no reasonable relation to the terms of the Second Amendment, the unanimous Hughes Court unwittingly set a precedent that denied millions of Americans firearms for DECADES that they had a CONSTITUTIONAL right to have for hunting, recreation and personal protection.

That's pretty messed up.


43 posted on 04/29/2010 10:12:59 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
By a 8-0 decision declaring that a sawed-off shotgun had no reasonable relation to the terms of the Second Amendment, the unanimous Hughes Court unwittingly set a precedent that denied millions of Americans firearms for DECADES that they had a CONSTITUTIONAL right to have for hunting, recreation and personal protection.

They did not even really declare that. They said "in the abense of any evidence" The Supreme Court hears arguments, it does not take evidence. They sent the case back to the trial court for "futher proceedings".

But by that time, Miller was dead, his co-defendant (in the original case) copped a plea and the original district court judge, who had ruled the law Unconstitutional based on violation of the Second Amendment, gave him probation, which he successfully served and was discharged from. Miller was shot with a .38, but he had fired several rounds from his own .45. Guess he wasn't a very good shot. or more likely faced multiple assailants.

No other additional proceedings were ever held, proceeding where such evidence, and there was plenty, of the usefulness in a militia/military situation of short shotguns could have been introduced. (They are useful in a Naval boarding or anti-boarding role, for cavalry, or in a modern context, vehicle crews. Although that role has been somewhat supplanted by Short stocked Carbines, with what would be illegally short barrels under the National Firearms Act, but in 1939 they had not been. Even the sub-machine gun had not yet really replaced them. Although the WW-II "M3 Grease gun" and the M1 Carbine finally began to do so.

47 posted on 04/29/2010 10:48:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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