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To: Noumenon
Speaking of subsets of people I've always liked how Heinlein put it: "Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort."

The problem is that those who want people to be controlled will stop at nothing and I do mean absolutely nothing to accomplish that goal.

How do we live with them? You hit it squarely on the head. We can't. We'll never be able to. And it's coming to a head sooner rather than later.

When it does it's going to be damned ugly. They've got their hands on the control levers of the most powerful nation state that's ever existed. And they're NOT going to give that up because they've lost anything as silly as an election.

Do you remember that part in Unintended Consequences where Henry Bowman asked his Professor something along the lines of "How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?"

Well I'd say we're pretty much at that point now.

What do we do about it? Well that's not a subject for this forum, nor any other public forum. That's a subject for hushed whispers with trusted friends.

67 posted on 05/12/2010 4:13:59 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Your comment drives right to the core of what I was trying to explain: that you can’t reason with the irrational; you can’t play by Marquis of Queensbury rules when you’re dealing with monsters; you can’t negotiate with cancer.

Everything that’s been simmering in the pot of cultural and spiritual nihilism is coming to a boil. My hope is that enough people will have woken up to the premise that nothing less than all-out war against the monsters who would rule us all to understand what a butchers bill we’re going to have to pay. There it is - brutal, but true. Some here wil llaugh at that; I’ll wager taht by the end of this summer, they won’t be laughing any more.

I’ve been giving more thought lately to the role that nihilism plays in this mess. Might have something to publish a bit later on that subject.


68 posted on 05/12/2010 4:36:00 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Lurker

>>Do you remember that part in Unintended Consequences where Henry Bowman asked his Professor something along the lines of “How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?”

Well I’d say we’re pretty much at that point now.

What do we do about it? Well that’s not a subject for this forum, nor any other public forum. That’s a subject for hushed whispers with trusted friends.<<

No, that is a subject that MUST be discussed in the open air where everyone, especially those who think they have control, can see and read.

Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little. -—Edmund Burke

I have read about the Holocaust, I will not life to see another one because I refuse to kneel down to Islam. Christ is my Saviour not collectivism or Marxism!

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
John Adams:


242 posted on 10/30/2012 10:15:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered ...)
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