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James K. Polk: The First Natural Born Citizen of the United States to be Elected President.
The President, office and powers: 1787-1948 ^ | 1948 | Edward Samuel Corwin

Posted on 05/07/2010 5:56:48 PM PDT by bushpilot1

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James K. Polk was born in North Carolina in 1795 and was the 11th elected President.

The author states he was the first natural born citizen elected President.

Can any one locate this book? Google books does not allow full access.

Perhaps the author gives an explanation.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen; polk; potus; presidents
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1 posted on 05/07/2010 5:56:49 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

http://cgi.ebay.com/President-Office-and-Powers-1787-1948-E-S-Corwi-/160387504136?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item2557d71808

http://www.amazon.com/President-office-powers-University-Foundation/dp/B0006D8LEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273280387&sr=8-1


2 posted on 05/07/2010 6:00:05 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: bushpilot1

All the previous presidents were born before April 30, 1789, the date of General Washington’s inauguration as the first President of the United States. They were therefore born before there was a United States, although they were born in America.


3 posted on 05/07/2010 6:00:41 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: bushpilot1

Polk was vastly underrated as President. In fact, many historians list him among the top ten of Presidents. He was the last strong president up to, I would say William McKinley, even surpassing Lincoln and Grover Cleveland.


4 posted on 05/07/2010 6:02:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obamunism: You have two cows. The regime redistributes them and shoots you dead)
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To: bushpilot1

What explanation is needed?

He was the first elected President to be a natural born citizen. (John Tyler was the first President to be natural born, but he wasn’t elected President, he was elected Vice President and became President when William Harrison died in office).

Until Tyler, all U.S. Presidents were botn before the Constitution was ratified, thus they fell into the “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” clause.


5 posted on 05/07/2010 6:04:49 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Pharmboy

There was a United States under the Articles of Confederation. There was not a United States before 1781.


6 posted on 05/07/2010 6:06:38 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bushpilot1

“James K. Polk” by They Might Be Giants

In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He’s just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump


7 posted on 05/07/2010 6:10:26 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

How does President Polk compare to Obama. Seems Obama must match equally to Polk in order for Obama to be a natural born citizen.

Polk had two US citizen parents. Obama does not.


8 posted on 05/07/2010 6:11:01 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; bushpilot1
"What explanation is needed?"

To determine what the author's understanding of what the term "Natural Born Citizen" meant. Presumably, he (the author) was using Vattel's definition...really the only known definition for that "type" of citizen, in 1787.

9 posted on 05/07/2010 6:12:59 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: bushpilot1

Everyone born before the Declaration of Independence was born a British citizen. In fact, in 1775, George Washington was toasting the King of England every evening at dinner.


10 posted on 05/07/2010 6:17:04 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: bushpilot1
It doesn't matter. The Constitution says:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Unless Obama was born here or became a citizen before June 21, 1788 (when New Hampshire became the 9th state to ratify and the Constitution came into effect), he would not be legit.
11 posted on 05/07/2010 6:17:23 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

It is possible the author means..Polk was the first President born to US citizen parents after the ratification.


12 posted on 05/07/2010 6:24:23 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: RegulatorCountry

The Articles was the working Constitution of the USA from 1777.


13 posted on 05/07/2010 6:27:25 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: expatpat

The citizenship of everyone born in the United States was disputed by Great Britain, and that dispute was not ended by the Revolutionary War, nor did treaties of peace quell the disputed claim completely. U.S. citizens were being seized and conscripted at sea under British claims of perpetual allegiance as natural born subjects to the crown, leading up to the War of 1812. This citizenship dispute was, in fact, a cause of that war.

This is why I’ve concluded that those who attribute the origin of the term natural born citizen to English common law are wrong. The Founders’ own citizenship was disputed under that same construct. “Perpetual allegiance” was roundly mocked and even despised by citizens of the United States in the years leading up to the Consitutional Convention.


14 posted on 05/07/2010 6:28:19 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bushpilot1; BP2; Red Steel; El Gato; LucyT; STARWISE; pissant; Fred Nerks; hoosiermama; ...
The term "natural born citizen" appears on pages: 32, 38 and 330.

The term "natural born" appears on page 33 in addition to those above.

The word "parents" (plural) appears on pages 33 and 330, likely in conjunction with the two above terms.

Searching for "Vattel" produces no results.

However, the term "law of nations" appears on pages: xii, 9, 71, 172, 185, 194, 226, 405, 417, 425, 437, 438, 513.

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=10423575

15 posted on 05/07/2010 6:31:26 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: xkaydet65

The Articles did not come into legal standing prior to ratification by the States, which only a few months before the conclusion of the war, in March of 1781.


16 posted on 05/07/2010 6:32:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: rxsid

Father: Samuel Polk birthplace North Carolina 1772

Mother: Jane Knox birthplace North Carolina 1776.


17 posted on 05/07/2010 6:35:44 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

Even the “Law of Nations” is written in the US Constitution, and nowhere to be found in it says the “Blackstone Commentaries”.

No clause in the US Constitution is without meaning.


18 posted on 05/07/2010 6:39:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid

do you have access to the book on questia.com


19 posted on 05/07/2010 6:41:46 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

Polk was found on pages:
199 309 322 371 433 465 477 512


20 posted on 05/07/2010 6:43:43 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Red Steel

Indeed! Don’t tell the Kool-Aid drinkers that.


21 posted on 05/07/2010 6:48:35 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid; STARWISE
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22 posted on 05/07/2010 7:15:38 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Most continental European countries pass on citizenship by jus sanguinis.


23 posted on 05/07/2010 7:23:55 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid; BP2; STARWISE; Red Steel
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24 posted on 05/07/2010 7:26:20 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Excellent find!


25 posted on 05/07/2010 7:28:45 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Pharmboy

John Tyler was born in 1790.


26 posted on 05/07/2010 7:29:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: bushpilot1

You’ve got something there. :-)


27 posted on 05/07/2010 7:32:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Non-Sequitur

Posting on FR while being paid to work... shameful


28 posted on 05/07/2010 7:34:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe
Posting on FR while being paid to work... shameful

It's Saturday morning in India, bonehead. My Friday was last night.

29 posted on 05/07/2010 7:36:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rxsid

One of the Koolaid drinkers already showed up. The troll, NS. One of Politijab’s hero’s. However they do think he will eventually be suspended here. Guess he’s not subtle enough.


30 posted on 05/07/2010 7:36:56 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bushpilot1

The first Natural born citizen President was Martin Van Buren 8th President of the U.S. Both of his parents became citizens when we became a nation. Hence he was a natural born citizen per Article 2. The first President to be born to Americans citizens “ born after” our nation was formed ( and Natural born citizens themselves) would be Polk our 11th President. hope this clears up your question?


31 posted on 05/07/2010 7:38:39 PM PDT by omegadawn
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To: Non-Sequitur

LMAO!!! Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee....... I can sense the tension in your typewritten babble.


32 posted on 05/07/2010 7:46:28 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bushpilot1
Polk had two US citizen parents. Obama does not.

The Constitution is clear. Obama was born in the United States so he is a natural born citizen. Naturalized citizens are those born outside the United States but later receive legal citizenship.

33 posted on 05/07/2010 7:46:28 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

Can you please tell that to the big ole thing he’s married to, meeshell the queen of wookies? Because she keeps popping up on videos saying his homeland is Kenya, that’s he’s a Kenyan, etc. Damn, that pesky divided loyalties thing can be a mf’er.


34 posted on 05/07/2010 7:48:59 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bushpilot1
It is possible the author means..Polk was the first President born to US citizen parents after the ratification.

The inferrence I drew from the question was that an Obama born in Kenya would somehow equate to the first 10 presidents in not being born in the "United States". I wanted to emphasize that was not the only qualification in the Constitution.
35 posted on 05/07/2010 7:50:33 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: mojitojoe
LMAO!!! Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee....... I can sense the tension in your typewritten babble.

So you're claiming that it isn't Saturday morning in India? Damn you're dumb.

36 posted on 05/07/2010 7:50:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: omegadawn

The author stated Polk is the first Natural Born Citizen elected President.

His parents were born in North Carolina.

Natural Born Citizen: Born to parents who were born in the US.


37 posted on 05/07/2010 7:52:20 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: mojitojoe
If Obama was born in Kenya, he is not a Natural Born citizen of the United States. If he was born in Hawaii, he is a Natural Born Citizen.
38 posted on 05/07/2010 7:54:12 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: omegadawn
he first Natural born citizen President was Martin Van Buren 8th President of the U.S.

Van Buren was born in 1782 so he was qualified to be president for the same reason Washington and Jefferson and Jackson were - citizen of the U.S. at the time the Constitution was ratified.

39 posted on 05/07/2010 7:54:50 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Doe Eyes; little jeremiah; BP2; LucyT; Las Vegas Ron; Fred Nerks

Your past posts are really interesting, extremely interesting. You.... are a troll. Period! End of story!


40 posted on 05/07/2010 7:59:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe
However they do think he will eventually be suspended here.

And who might 'they' be? You and your dimwitted Lost Cause buddies?

41 posted on 05/07/2010 8:00:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Doe Eyes

The author states Polk is the first natural born citizen elected President. Both of Polks parents were born in the US. One of Obama’s parents was born in Africa.

Obama is not a natural born citizen.


42 posted on 05/07/2010 8:01:11 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Doe Eyes
The Constitution is clear. Obama was born in the United States so he is a natural born citizen.

LoL!

43 posted on 05/07/2010 8:05:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Doe Eyes

Do you watch CNN or MSNBC? Try doing a little research before making such a definative statement or put on your flame suit and standby to be educated.


44 posted on 05/07/2010 8:10:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: mojitojoe
Non sequitur should be banned just because he doesn't happen to agree with you on an issue?
And you have the temerity to call yourself a conservative, cite the Constitution, and dare use the champion of free thought, Thomas Jefferson, in your tag line?
45 posted on 05/07/2010 8:11:05 PM PDT by jla
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To: Red Steel; BP2

Corwin, Edward S. (1878-1963) third McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and first chairman of the Department of Politics, was considered the leading expositor of the intent and meaning of the Constitution.

Corwin’s influence eventually extended beyond the campus to the federal government, which he served in 1935 as an adviser to the Public Works Administration, and in 1936 and 1937 as a special assistant and consultant to the attorney general on constitutional issues.

Generally recognized as the most learned and discriminating of all our modern constitutional authorities, Corwin was a scholar’s scholar.

Historians, political scientists, and legal practitioners join in proclaiming his preeminence.

The law itself reflects his own pointed dictum: `If judges make law, so do commentators.’ Corwin is in the great tradition of Cooley and Kent.

His contributions are sources of learning and understanding — hallmarks to emulate and revere.’’

As editor of the Library of Congress’s legislative reference division, he directed a research project that resulted in a massive volume, The Constitution Annotated: Analysis and Interpretation.

http://etcweb.princeton.edu/CampusWWW/Companion/corwin_edward.html


46 posted on 05/07/2010 8:11:47 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: expatpat
In fact, in 1775, George Washington was toasting the King of England every evening at dinner.

I toast KIng Obama every morning just before I flush.

47 posted on 05/07/2010 8:12:01 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: bushpilot1
It's not even correct. Anyone born after the Articles of Confederation would be a natural born citizen of the United States. Arguably the same would be true of anyone born in the US after July 4, 1776, when the 13 United States of America, declared themselves independent of the United Kingdom. But it doesn't matter which one chooses. Two Presidents were born between the articles of confederation being ratified (all states) (March 1, 1781), and the ratification of the Constitution (9 states) (June 21, 1788). Martin Van Buren born December 5, 1782, and Zachary Taylor born November 24, 1784. None were born after the declaration and before the AoC were ratified.

They were *both* natural born citizens and citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

James Polk was the first President born after the adoption of the Constitution, so the first to *only* be a Natural born citizen, and not one at the time of adoption of the Constitution.

But perhaps that's only of academic interest, since Van Buren and Taylor were eligible, whether one counts them as natural born or not.

48 posted on 05/07/2010 8:13:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Pharmboy
All the previous presidents were born before April 30, 1789, the date of General Washington’s inauguration as the first President of the United States. They were therefore born before there was a United States, although they were born in America.

There was a United States before the adoption of the Constitution.

From the Articles of Confederation:

Preamble To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting.

Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.

Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America."

It was one country, albeit with a not very practicable form of government.

49 posted on 05/07/2010 8:17:57 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

We really do not know the definition of natural born citizen.

Perhaps this author defines the term when he states Polk is the first natural born citizen elected President.

Polks parents were born in the Unites States.

Polk was born in the United States.


50 posted on 05/07/2010 8:26:15 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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