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Oppressive Government: Feds Tell GA Old Folks They Canít Pray Before Meals
Publius Forum ^ | 05/10/10 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 05/10/2010 10:06:22 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

Big Brother says elderly visitors to federally funded meals at a Georgia senior citizen's center aren't allowed to pray to that absurd, dangerous Christian God of theirs. Obama's Big Brother government contends that since it has paid for their meals the government has the right to slam its iron boot heel down on the necks of those seasoned citizens that dare to engage in such an apostasy toward the state.

Seem absurd? Well it is but that is what happens when the feds roll into town and begin to hand out money. They feel the right to dictate what everyone is allowed or not allowed to do and in the case of Port Wentworth's Ed Young Senior Citizens Center near Savannah that is to tell these old folks that they are not allowed to pray before a meal.

There are federal "guidelines" to observe, after all and the federal government's rules say none of that ridiculous Christian stuff will go on if the feds supply even a penny of funding. Old folks that want to pray are banned from doing so and if they don't like it, why they can go hungry because the new Uncle Sam is a crusader against religion.

Well, at least one religion, anyway.

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The Constitution says freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion!
1 posted on 05/10/2010 10:06:22 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Were I one of those seniors, I think my response would be... “Go to Hell.”


2 posted on 05/10/2010 10:08:34 AM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Cruelest, most evil democrat/socialist atrocity I have heard in a while.


3 posted on 05/10/2010 10:08:56 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember ("Subtlety is not going to win this fight": NJ Governor Chris Christie)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Freedom OF religion.... Unless you pray to the God of Abraham or Jesus.


4 posted on 05/10/2010 10:09:03 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Damn communists are in solid, aren’t they?


5 posted on 05/10/2010 10:10:04 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The Constitution gives both. It says that the Federal government:

1. Cannot establish a religion to be the State religion

and

2. Cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion

Liberals are so concerned that there will be an established religion that they push for removing the right to exercise religion by anyone.


6 posted on 05/10/2010 10:12:54 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Mobile Vulgus
JUST KEEP PUSHING!

7 posted on 05/10/2010 10:15:58 AM PDT by unixfox
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To: BCR #226
I would too. What is the punishment again? hahaha

Put me in a cell (at 80 to 90 yrs old). hahaha

Free food

Free clothes

Free medical

Visitation priviledges

So whats differant than from the little nursing home cell they are in now.

Pray and tell them to go to hell.

8 posted on 05/10/2010 10:16:10 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Mobile Vulgus

15 years ago a guy I worked with stood in our radio station’s newsroom and declared “G*d, I hate Republicans”. He was a Socialist from Iowa. Now I know what he felt, but totally in reverse. “G*d I hate these Liberal/Democrat/Progressives”.


9 posted on 05/10/2010 10:16:35 AM PDT by radioone ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.")
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To: Mobile Vulgus

To register your complaint, contact:

Patricia Lyons, President
Senior Citizens, Inc

3025 Bull Street, Savannah GA 31405
Telephone: 912-236-0363 extension 115

Fax 912-236-3030

SAVANNAH NOW

“Preston Blackwelder proudly showed off a painting of his grandmother that had hung next to the front door of his Port Wentworth home.

She was the woman who led him to God, Blackwelder said Friday.

And with that firm religious footing, Blackwelder said, it would be preposterous to stop praying before meals at Port Wentworth’s Ed Young Senior Citizens Center because of a federal guideline.

‘She would say pray anyway,’ Blackwelder said of his grandmother. ‘She’d say don’t listen.’

But Senior Citizens Inc. officials said Friday the meals they are contracted by the city to provide to Ed Young visitors are mostly covered with federal money, which ushers in the burden of separating church and state.

Thus, on Thursday, the open prayer at the center was traded in for a moment of silence.

The dilemma is being hashed out by the Port Wentworth city attorney, said Glenn ‘Pig’ Jones, the city’s mayor.

Strict guidelines

Tim Rutherford, Senior Citizens Inc. vice president, said some of his staff recently visited the center and noticed people praying shortly before lunch was served. Rutherford said his company provides meals like baked chicken, steak tips and rice and salads at a cost of about $6 a plate. Seniors taking the meals pay 55 cents and federal money foots the rest of the bill, Rutherford said.

‘We can’t scoff at their rules,’ he said of federal authorities. ‘It’s a part of the operational guidelines.’

Rutherford said the moment of silence was introduced to protect that funding. He said although the change may have been misinterpreted, perhaps his company could have done a better job selling it.

‘It’s interpreted that we’re telling people that they can’t pray, but we aren’t saying that,’ he said. ‘We’re asking them to pray to themselves. Have that moment of silence.’

‘Can’t thank God’

Mayor Jones said he was outraged by the change and has promised to find a solution.

‘It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever did as mayor is to look at those people in the eyes and ask them to be patient with me and honor their God in a moment of silence until I can have a resolution to this,’ Jones said. ‘For me to look at their eyes and tell them they can’t thank God for their food, it’s unheard of – I can’t take it.’

Jones said he enlisted the help of Port Wentworth’s city attorney and scheduled a Tuesday morning meeting with Senior Citizens Inc. to determine the best solution.

Jones added he also flirted with the idea of ending a contract the city has with Senior Citizens Inc.

‘Like one lady said, ‘You can stop me from speaking, but you can’t stop me from praying what’s in my heart,’‘ he said. ‘But the best answer right now is that we’re trying to get the best information possible and legal council is looking at what would happen if we continued to pray.’

Invasion of privacy

Blackwelder said the center’s already fragile visitors have been rattled.

Along with threatening the center’s amenities, the decision has frightened the people who use it.

‘Their security consciousness is prevalent anyway,’ he said. ‘You’re threatening their security with their meals and the place where they spend the majority of the day.

‘This is, in my view, an unnecessary intrusion into the private lives of individuals. It’s a bad place to draw a line in the sand.”

OOOOO...Mr. Rutledge can go shove his meals in a dark place!

This is totally outrageous and I would be one surly curmudgeon praying LOUDLY in their stupid faces.

What a bunch of retards.


10 posted on 05/10/2010 10:18:25 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Adder

“Scuse me...Rutherford.


11 posted on 05/10/2010 10:19:43 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

I’d tell them to Go To Hell AND throw my pureed peas in their faces! As one post pointed out...free food, free medical, free bed...what’s the difference to a 90 year old?


12 posted on 05/10/2010 10:20:03 AM PDT by albie
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To: BCR #226
Were I one of those seniors, I think my response would be... “Go to Hell.”

Not to worry, that is where all atheists are going; to a Hell they profess not to believe in. They will have their moment in the sun to ridicule us, but an eternity in darkness to curse the day they were born.

13 posted on 05/10/2010 10:20:10 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: annieokie

My Mother is 82 and close to going to a retirement home. I know for a fact she would’ve wacked someone with her cane!


14 posted on 05/10/2010 10:22:14 AM PDT by albie
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The Old Folks should protest by saying the prayers all of the time within earshot of the staff, LOL.


15 posted on 05/10/2010 10:22:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mikelets456

“Freedom OF religion.... Unless you pray to the God of Abraham or Jesus.”

Freedom OR religion.... Especially if you pray to the God of Abraham or Jesus, Mo excluded.

Fixed it for ya, LOL.


16 posted on 05/10/2010 10:23:58 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Lets have no more of this:


17 posted on 05/10/2010 10:24:03 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: GraceG

I want to see the old folks keep praying no matter what! I really have to believe that the majority of the people in this country are completely fed up with this sort of BS!

I used to be timid not to offend anyone.... Losing freedom has changed that.


18 posted on 05/10/2010 10:27:53 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Adder

Mayor Jones is a coward. Take a stand, Mayor.


19 posted on 05/10/2010 10:34:55 AM PDT by rightthinkingwoman
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To: Mobile Vulgus
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20 posted on 05/10/2010 10:37:52 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: albie

I love your Mother, hahaha. Got to love that attitude, at our age, they are going to tell us WHAT? rofl.


21 posted on 05/10/2010 10:39:05 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Rutherford said his company provides meals like baked chicken, steak tips and rice and salads at a cost of about $6 a plate. Seniors taking the meals pay 55 cents and federal money foots the rest of the bill

Take the King's shilling, live by the King's rules........

22 posted on 05/10/2010 10:39:48 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The people who made this decision will regret it at the Great White Throne Judgment.


23 posted on 05/10/2010 10:45:32 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: BCR #226

They’ll have to pry my fork from my cold, dead fingers, before I stop exercising my First Amendment Rights.


24 posted on 05/10/2010 10:48:31 AM PDT by gigster
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Welcome to Big Brother hell, abandon hope all who enter.
25 posted on 05/10/2010 10:51:25 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Hand out pocket Constitutions to everyone you can")
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To: BCR #226

Big Brothercrats will have lots of time to pray later on—in hell. Their miserable lives on earth are the only heaven they will ever know unless they bend a humble knee to the Creator before it ends.


26 posted on 05/10/2010 11:06:40 AM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Stay tuned...

Daniel in the Old Testament was thrown into the lion's den for praying, wasn't he?

King Obama and his subjects have an agenda, and it does not include a more spiritual, prayerful America.

27 posted on 05/10/2010 11:22:03 AM PDT by JustTheTruth (States Rights: Save Our Freedom.)
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To: anyone

What’s next, close all churches on military bases and fire all chaplains?


28 posted on 05/10/2010 11:50:40 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Can food stamp recipients still pray at home?


29 posted on 05/10/2010 11:51:49 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: rightthinkingwoman

The answer seems very obvious:

“‘We can’t scoff at their rules,’ he said of federal authorities. ‘It’s a part of the operational guidelines.’

Then Senior Citizen’s Inc can’t pray over the food.

They have done their job once its been delivered and they are finished.


30 posted on 05/10/2010 11:55:05 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Pray and fight for the food!


31 posted on 05/10/2010 11:55:37 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

So federal money can now tell the INDIVIDUAL how they can or cannot pray to their God?


32 posted on 05/10/2010 11:56:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: GeronL

nice !!!


33 posted on 05/10/2010 12:03:51 PM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (Freedom includes Free Market....no Feds needed!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

While our government is certainly oppressive, it’s my impression that the bad guy here is not the Feds but the d***heads running the center.


34 posted on 05/10/2010 12:04:01 PM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Snickering Hound

That photo makes me puke!


35 posted on 05/10/2010 12:04:04 PM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Indeed.


36 posted on 05/10/2010 12:05:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas ( Lord, deliver us from Barrystroika. Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus; CSM; metesky; Madame Dufarge; Mears; Eric Blair 2084

Well, I bet they can’t smoke inside either.

Give in to one rule, give in to another!

There is no God given right to Pray to God when under Nannyism’s bailiwick! (he, he

Though this does sound far fetched. As do most things in our land today.

Hear about the GOP vice gubernatorial candidate in MA?


37 posted on 05/10/2010 12:07:13 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

So if you get food stamps you can’t thank God? I guess pray to the government.

America is on its last legs. It was great for a couple of hundred years.


38 posted on 05/10/2010 12:07:41 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Plutarch

Smoking’s gone, dude.


39 posted on 05/10/2010 12:08:17 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: guido911

You know it’s coming.


40 posted on 05/10/2010 12:09:09 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Adder
‘We can’t scoff at their rules,’ he said of federal authorities. ‘It’s a part of the operational guidelines.’

Institutionalized thinking.

1}Your not part of the operation, your a beneficiary of it.

2}You should know your religious rights enumerated in the Constituion

3}Exercise your religious rights, and if they try to stop you, sue under Title 18 section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law.

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Your not a 'subject' of the government, so STOP acting like one!

41 posted on 05/10/2010 12:11:28 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am not a administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They should demand foot washing stations, and see what happens.


42 posted on 05/10/2010 12:12:51 PM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: Mobile Vulgus
The Constitution says freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion!

Hear! Hear!

and why is the government forcing us to practice their brand of theism? yeah, that's right, atheism is a religion: a belief concerning a supreme being, that there isn't one. It is one end of a broad spectrum of religion and needs to be treated as such. That will nip it. nip it in the bud.

43 posted on 05/10/2010 12:13:41 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The real death threat is their legislation" Rush Limbaugh, 3/25/10)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

So some staff from Seniors Inc. ratted on the old folks’ prayers. Wonder if there are any SEIU ties?

This will impact senior and other programs nationwide. I hope they can beat this in court, but where will the money come to represent the pray-er’s side?

How shameful.


44 posted on 05/10/2010 12:22:07 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Send a contribution to FreeRepublic! Every dollar helps!)
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To: GeronL

“Can food stamp recipients still pray at home?”
Or social security recipients?
Or veterans in the VA hospital?


45 posted on 05/10/2010 12:26:29 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

We don’t need no steenkin constitution!


46 posted on 05/10/2010 12:28:00 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: GraceG; mikelets456
Freedom OR religion.... Especially if you pray to the God of Abraham or Jesus, Mo excluded.

Hear, hear!

Every truly devout man knows that freedom is found, not in religion, but in relationship with Almighty God. To utter prayers in the name of Jesus to a YHVH with whom one has no fellowship is evidence of a life of psychological compulsion that must be truly miserable.

By stark contrast, as Messiah himself said, "Whom The Son sets free is free, indeed."

You can bet your lunch on that.

47 posted on 05/10/2010 12:32:27 PM PDT by HKMk23 (The Democrat Legacy: Hoax and Chains)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They can’t stop them, really. What are they going to do restrain each one that folds their hands in prayer before a meal? That is exactly what I would do, and make it in their face too.


48 posted on 05/10/2010 12:36:51 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
2. Cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion

That part is ALWAYS ignored in every news story...

49 posted on 05/10/2010 12:38:31 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: MamaTexan

You are exactly right.

I know I will fight them tooth and nail on each and every “takeover” they try.


50 posted on 05/10/2010 12:38:55 PM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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