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A question for birthers: why Mombassa?
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Posted on 05/12/2010 8:47:16 AM PDT by curiosity

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To: curiosity

O has spent over a million dollars so as to avoid releasing his original long form birth certificate. He has elevated the lawyer who headed up that effort into his inner circle. The security guy whose employee broke into obama’s state department passport files has also been elevated to Obama’s white house.


101 posted on 05/12/2010 9:42:16 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Vendome

>>> It is actually crapable evidence of the most craptastic nature and I forget who that moron was that invented the Mombassa.

If we had a prominent republican senator personally obtain a certified copy directly from a DOH official on national TV, even that BC would get downplayed as a forgery.

It’s certainly more believable than Obama’s online COLB.


102 posted on 05/12/2010 9:42:21 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Vendome

Glad to hear the storms missed them. They missed Arkansas, too. But darn, Tennessee got clobbered. Couldn’t believe the pics.

parsy, who is safe


103 posted on 05/12/2010 9:42:45 AM PDT by parsifal (I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
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To: Safrguns

(a Kenyan DOH official that is)


104 posted on 05/12/2010 9:43:13 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: parsifal

LOL! POTD!


105 posted on 05/12/2010 9:43:25 AM PDT by knittnmom ("...only dead fish 'go with the flow'". - Sarah Palin 7/09)
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To: USNBandit

An interesting legal question would be if Mom couldn’t transmit citizenship, could Obama move to have a deceased mother’s marriage annulled based on bigamy. Being born out of wedlock reduces the mother’s residency requirements quite a bit.


106 posted on 05/12/2010 9:43:27 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ChurtleDawg
it says on the COLB itself that it is a legally binding document. read it.

Counterfeit US federal reserve notes invariably state that they are legal tender for all debts public and private. Does the printed statement make it so?
107 posted on 05/12/2010 9:44:09 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ChurtleDawg

Then why are you on this post? To convince us we are in error?

To shill for Barry?

Why?

If you really wanted this go away there only two strategies that would work:

Barry should show his Long Form and the one he found among his mother’s belongings

or

Just ignore the story and it will become irrelevant all by itself.

You seem just as obsessed with the story otherwise we would all be talking to walls instead of you or the other proxies for Barry.

NS excluded of course, only because I have an appreciation for his posts.


108 posted on 05/12/2010 9:44:14 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: IrishCatholic

I would love to see as many states as possible enact such laws. It was my understanding that none have completed the process yet.


109 posted on 05/12/2010 9:45:01 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: curiosity

If it matters not why does it matter to you?

I am not a birther. For the life of me, I want this story to end because it is a side issue to Obama’s purposeful destruction of capitalism and the constitution.

Why do you, Obama, the old media, and people that sit on the left side of the aisle keep bringing this story up as much as the birthers? Is it curiosity or a divide and conquer strategy?

Obama and his party have an obligation to supply the nation all of OHB’s birth, health, school, and legal records. Otherwise, they and you should shut the f@ck up with your idiotic talking points.


110 posted on 05/12/2010 9:45:44 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: parsifal

Not good in OKC either.


111 posted on 05/12/2010 9:45:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
A mystery Imam started the Mombasa birth rumor ...

Thank you! Mystery solved. That pretty much wraps up all my unanswered questions about birther myths. It all makes sense now.

Birthism provides an amazing insights into the development of irrational beliefs among population groups.

It might even have some application in behavioral economics!

112 posted on 05/12/2010 9:46:07 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: egannacht

LOL

How do you really feel? /s


113 posted on 05/12/2010 9:48:33 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: egannacht
If it matters not why does it matter to you?

I'm interested in how absurd, irrational beliefs spread through populations. I think it might actually have some application in my research on the development of financial bubbles.

114 posted on 05/12/2010 9:49:27 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: ChurtleDawg
Hawaiian officials have repeatedly said it is legit. Over and over and over

Wow, that's not what I thought. Do you have a link?

115 posted on 05/12/2010 9:51:30 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: astyanax
Wow, your level of ignorance on the subject is astounding, considering it is an “interest of yours”...

Really? What information am I missing?

116 posted on 05/12/2010 9:51:30 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
It doesn't require belief and no one knows, except Obama. This is a typical attempt to distort the issue and deflect the issue back on those asking for a simple $10 document.

Question for you: If child custody and divorce records of political candidates are a matter of the public interest so much so that a Judge ruled that they were and must be released to the public, how is a $10 original long form birth certificate not in the public interest?

117 posted on 05/12/2010 9:51:44 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: curiosity
obama; birth certificate; obama secret
118 posted on 05/12/2010 9:52:29 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Vendome

It’s so simple. Show the documents then all arguments end, unless the documents are obviously forged. Why all this twisting and hooking of noses to draw blood? Tell the truth and all is well.

But I think this is all orchestrated to cause division. I know progressives have operated a divide and conquer strategy with this issue.


119 posted on 05/12/2010 9:52:38 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: Mr. K; curiosity
Barack Obama has told numerous lies about how he came to be:

something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, “Ripples of hope all around the world.” Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children. When men who had PhD’s decided that's enough and we’re going to stand up for our dignity. That sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, “You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites.” So the Kennedy’s decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

I’m here because somebody marched. I’m here because you all sacrificed for me. I stand on the shoulders of giants. I thank the Moses generation; but we've got to remember, now, that Joshua still had a job to do. As great as Moses was, despite all that he did, leading a people out of bondage, he didn't cross over the river to see the Promised Land. God told him your job is done. You'll see it. You'll be at the mountain top and you can see what I’ve promised. What I’ve promised to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. You will see that I’ve fulfilled that promise but you won't go there.

- Barack Obama - March 2007

Timeline:

1960 (President is Ike, VP Richard Nixon runs against Senator John Kennedy for the presidency)

Ann Dunham is 18. Her family moves to Honolulu, Hawaii. Ann begins classes at the University of Hawaii.

- She meets Barack Obama Sr. in a Russian-language class. Barack Obama Sr. is a foreign student from Kenya, who has a magnetic personality. Barack Obama Sr. is very opinionated, talkative and passionate. The two start dating.

- Ann tells her parents about her African boyfriend and they invite him for dinner.

February 2, 1961: Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. get married in Maui in a discreet ceremony. Nobody is invited. At the time of the wedding Ann is already three months pregnant with Barack Obama Jr.

August 4, 1961: Barack Obama Jr. is born. Ann is eighteen. She drops out of college after one semester in the University of Hawaii.

1964

Ann files for divorce from Barack Obama Sr. and he signs the papers.

The Selma to Montgomery marches were three marches in 1965 that marked the political and emotional peak of the American Civil Rights Movement.

They were the culmination of the voting rights movement in Selma, Alabama, launched by Amelia Boynton and her husband. Boynton brought many prominent leaders of the American Civil Rights Movement to Selma, including James Bevel, who initiated and organized the march; Martin Luther King, Jr.; and Hosea Williams.

The first march took place on March 7, 1965 — "Bloody Sunday" — when 600 civil rights marchers were attacked by state and local police with billy clubs and tear gas. The second march took place on March 9. Only the third march, which began on March 21 and lasted five days, made it to Montgomery, 54 miles (87 km) away.

---- Mr. Obama, YOU LIE.

120 posted on 05/12/2010 9:53:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: egannacht

It isn’t causing division anymore than Clinton’s daliences. It is just part of the overall picture and I think many of us are arguing on all fronts about policy from the WH and Congress.


121 posted on 05/12/2010 9:55:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity

Pure intellectual exercise starts at the source. Perhaps you should try contacting the WH for his birth certificate and Soros, Frank, and Dodd for the bubble information.


122 posted on 05/12/2010 9:55:17 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: knittnmom

Thx!

There once was a guy named Obama.
Who stars in this big panorama.
The Birfers heap scorn
On his “Hawaiian Born”
While the ruder ones yell “Oh, Yo Momma!”

FWIW, Urban Dictionary defines, “Yo Momma! as “One way to insult someone is by telling something false of their mother, as a form of negative comment.”

parsy, the purist


123 posted on 05/12/2010 9:55:39 AM PDT by parsifal (I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
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To: curiosity
I will concede that you have certainly raised some very good points. 12,000 miles is a long way for a teen age mother to be to leave her best friend. This would have been her mother under those circumstances. The fact remains that you yourself do not know where the now President was born, neither do I. Let me raise a non-sequitor (bit of a pun here)

A Patrick Hitler, who was a nephew of Adolf Hitler served in the US Navy in WW2. He was wounded in action and lived out his life in the USA. The truth stranger than fiction.

Impossible? No.

124 posted on 05/12/2010 9:56:50 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Genoa

I asked already and you will not be receiving your answer.

He has no real information just a sense that we are totally wrong and only his opinion matters.


125 posted on 05/12/2010 9:56:51 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity

So, out of curiosity, do YOU have a a legit birth certificate for this straw man of a claim?


126 posted on 05/12/2010 9:57:30 AM PDT by bvw
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To: curiosity; astyanax

The information you are missing is a point by point rebuttal or even your own theory.

You just “feel this way”


127 posted on 05/12/2010 9:58:01 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Genoa

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/hawaiinews/20081101_officials_verify_birth_certificate_of_obama.html

and there have been many times since. Recently the governor said what hospital he was born in.


128 posted on 05/12/2010 9:58:36 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Peter Libra

Yet Stanley was in Seattle for college classes and Vancouver/Mercer Island to visit only weeks after the Holy Hawaiian Birth of the Obama Legend.


129 posted on 05/12/2010 9:59:16 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Peter Libra
The fact remains that you yourself do not know where the now President was born, neither do I.

The state of Hawaii says he was born in Hawaii. That's good enough for me, as well as any court and any Federal agency. Why does it not satistfy you?

130 posted on 05/12/2010 10:00:29 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: ChurtleDawg
That's where she said she has "seen his original birth certificate"! That's not about the so-called COLB image. It's about the one they won't release.

131 posted on 05/12/2010 10:00:45 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: FTJM
This what a Hawaiin Long Form Birth Certificate looks like:
 

132 posted on 05/12/2010 10:02:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: parsifal

He is a bastard.....


133 posted on 05/12/2010 10:03:55 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
The information you are missing is a point by point rebuttal

Rebuttal of what?

or even your own theory.

The state of Hawaii says he was born in Hawaii. Since that's good enough in any court and in any Federal avency, it's good enough for me.

But that's really beside the point. I see most birthers wouldn't be convinced no matter what Obama did. If he released a long form today, it woudn't take 5 minutes for internet hacks with phony Ph.D.'s (I'm looking at you, Polland) to declare them forgeries.

That's why I think I'm shifting my focus and treating birthers more as an anthropological phenomenon.

134 posted on 05/12/2010 10:04:08 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Are you saying you want him to "release his long form today"? Congratulations, and welcome to the dark side!

135 posted on 05/12/2010 10:05:23 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: curiosity; Peter Libra

let’s test the conviction of their statement and have them declare by affidavit and provide proof for their claim.


136 posted on 05/12/2010 10:05:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity

Who is Polland?


137 posted on 05/12/2010 10:06:25 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: parsifal
It’s easier for Birfers to put into limericks than Kanyadhiang?

LOL. Good one.

138 posted on 05/12/2010 10:06:50 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

139 posted on 05/12/2010 10:06:55 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Another one of your Con jobs? LOL Clever.


140 posted on 05/12/2010 10:07:42 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome; Polarik
Polland is Polarik's real name. Sorry, I forgot to ping him on that post.
141 posted on 05/12/2010 10:08:37 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Genoa

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/28/videohawaiian-official-corroborates-obama-colb-again/

“Obama has a valid COLB attesting to his Hawaiian birth, two statements from the state Department of Health explicitly noting his birth in Honolulu, and not one but two contemporaneous reports of his birth there.”

“People wonder why Obama doesn’t demand that Hawaii release the original records to put an end to the Birther nonsense. The biggest reason? It wouldn’t work. The same people who believe that Obama forged a Certificate of Live Birth twice corroborated by the state that issued it will insist that Obama got someone to forge any new records produced by Hawaii as well”


142 posted on 05/12/2010 10:08:37 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: ChurtleDawg

“and there have been many times since. Recently the governor said what hospital he was born in.”

All the health official said was she has seen and verified Obama’s BC. She didn’t say he was born there. She has never answered yes or no to the question. Why is that?

The Health official never said what hospital Obama was born in. so the Governor is either lying or mistaken.


143 posted on 05/12/2010 10:09:56 AM PDT by roving
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To: ChurtleDawg

Your own link exposes your assertion as a blatant lie! Typical dullard obamanoid liar you are. Loosen your kneepads, you’re cutting off the blood supply to your tiny brain.


144 posted on 05/12/2010 10:10:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: curiosity; parsifal; Vendome

“irrational beliefs...” “my research on the development of financial bubbles.”

Up from the depths comes Mr. Flame!!
Welcome back from the cozy confines of the ivory tower and the elite overlook.

So absurd are some things that only history can resurrect the truth from the clutches of the apologists and nay-sayers. Like, say, Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs. Or any number of political hacks throughout the centuries.

I’m more concerned about the truths posited by economists like “The traditional incentives, hope of money-making and fear of money-loss, will be weakened, and a kind of civil-service loyalty and fervor will need to grow gradually into acceptance.” This quote is from Rex Tugwell, part of FDR’s braintrust. Tugwell was a part of the Institutional Economics school of thought, and as an economist was wholeheartedly enamored with the Soviets ability to ‘manage’ their economies so efficiently.

Call me crazy. But absurd, irrational beliefs like this are why economists are only slightly more trusted than fortunetellers.


145 posted on 05/12/2010 10:10:25 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ChurtleDawg
it is hard to argue with people who have a list of made up “facts”.

"Made up facts"? That's it? That's your argument? You're essentially refusing the challenge to rebut Vendome's argument by offering yet another weak and baseless charge.

Ok. You've just forfeited your right to be taken seriously by anyone reading here.

Done.

146 posted on 05/12/2010 10:10:27 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: curiosity

Hmmm, never knew that.


147 posted on 05/12/2010 10:10:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity
Help me out here, birthers. Why do you reserve this special place for Mombassa in your belief system?

Wow!

Smugness personified!

LOL, I'm sure the "birthers", as you call them (along with anyone else who can recognize a vanity troll), will be "helping you out".

Though I'm puzzled as to why you think you have a right to ask birthers to respond, but ridicule them for questions they aim at Obama.

I scanned the first page of responses, and didn't see a single response from you to other posters.

I guess you're a "post and run" vanity troll.

148 posted on 05/12/2010 10:12:17 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: curiosity

K ... the state of HI says Sun Yat Sin was born there also. Nice try, obamnoid.


149 posted on 05/12/2010 10:13:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: curiosity

Obama was born in one of the 57 states. But I don’t know which one and neither do you because he has not produced a valid birth certificate.

Grow up and seek the truth.

Why do you support a liar?


150 posted on 05/12/2010 10:13:39 AM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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