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To: TigerLikesRooster
Exhibit a is the fact that under the Obama administration’s current fiscal plans, the national debt in the US (on a gross basis) will climb to above 100pc of GDP by 2015 – ...

If one includes in the "National Debt" figures the "Social Security Trust Fund", the national debt is already very close to 100% of GDP and will reach 100% well before 2015.

The fact that said trust fund is called an "Intergovernmental Holding" doesn't change the fact that it's still a debt.

Borrowing money from your parents instead of a bank doesn't mean you're not in debt.

10 posted on 05/15/2010 9:27:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
If one includes in the "National Debt" figures the "Social Security Trust Fund", the national debt is already very close to 100% of GDP and will reach 100% well before 2015.

You're correct. The red line in the following graph shows the projected gross federal debt through 2015 as given in the most recently released U.S. budget:

Foreign, Public and Gross Federal Debt: 1940-2015

The actual numbers and sources can be found at this link. As can be seen, the gross federal debt is projected to reach 94.3% of GDP by the end of 2010, 99% of GDP by the end of 2011, and 100.8% of GDP by the end of 2012. It is projected to continue increasing after that, reaching 102.6% of GDP by the end of 2015.

The fact that said trust fund is called an "Intergovernmental Holding" doesn't change the fact that it's still a debt.

Agreed. In any event, it will all become debt held by the public soon enough as Social Security cashes in its bonds. Hence, the long-run budget projections from the 2011 Budget project that the debt held by the public will reach about 830% of GDP by 2085! That's over 7 times the prior record reached at the end of World War II. Of course, something will have to give long before we reach that level of debt.

14 posted on 05/15/2010 12:07:25 PM PDT by remember
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