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Could Rand Paul Be The Next Ronald Reagan?
May 15, 2010 | Pinochet

Posted on 05/15/2010 9:36:04 AM PDT by pinochet

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To: EternalVigilance

You don’t have to get personal.

Describing your self as almost all the Republicans here at freerepublic describe themselves makes it sound like you are a Republican.

“limited government republican conservative.”


81 posted on 05/15/2010 2:19:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (MITT: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

I was just being factual. I’m not surprised that you don’t know the difference.


82 posted on 05/15/2010 2:20:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Yesterday, I read everything Elena Kagan has ever published. It didn't take long..." -- Paul Campos)
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To: EternalVigilance

Again, no need to get personal and insulting.

When you describe yourself just like all the Republicans here do, it was easy to interpret your statement saying that you are a Republican, as meaning that you had become a Republican.


83 posted on 05/15/2010 2:22:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (MITT: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
You don't explain. . .

Certainly, anyone hearing Sarah Palin these many many months during and since her Election Campaign; by her appearances, interviews and/ or just reading her book ‘Going Rogue’ would have a hard time figuring ‘how it is’, that Sarah Palin has endorsed Rand Paul.

Don’t know the answer; save that the Tea Party – and it’s anti-Repub establishment-status-quo winds, blow naturally, in the direction of incumbents such as Rand Paul, rather than favoring what are viewed as ‘establishment’ candidates - in this case - KY Republican Trey Grayson. Supporters as well, easily caught - if not by necessity - in the updraft.

We know too, that politics makes for ‘odd couple’ pairings, when the upside appears to outweigh the downside and so it is; I think; that Palin and the rest of these ‘supporters’, feel compelled to support those who are seeding the ‘grass roots’ of America; and that they believe this is a win - for America – regardless.

Jeannette Pryor again at ‘newsrealblog.com’ Feb 8/2010 offers some politically esoteric analysis (and include the more politically practical, and contrasting considerations from 'Salon' already posted here at Free Republic, below as well.) Pryor contrasts statements by both Palin and Paul; and concludes with a warning, that I belive has merit. Link: link

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This primacy of ideas, as opposed to personality worship or political expediency, demands that conservatives quickly confront the significance and implications of Governor Palin’s endorsement of Dr. Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul. Her $2,000 donation to Paul’s campaign came with this statement:

“I’m proud to support great grassroots candidates like Dr. Paul. While there are issues we disagree on, he and I are both in agreement that it’s time to shake up the status quo in Washington and stand up for common sense ideas.”<> On Fox News Sunday, Palin told Chris Wallace:

“There are things that I don’t agree with Rand Paul, and yet his domestic policies for the most part, I do agree with.”

The conclusion of Going Rogue is a magnificent outline of the author’s positions on key issues. Statements by Dr. Paul to Anti-War Radio and Alex Jones cause a jarring ideological cacophony when compared with those appropriated by his Alaskan supporter.

SP/Going Rogue: “Today our sons and daughters are fighting in distant countries to protect our freedoms and to nurture freedom for others…we do have a responsibility to complete our missions in these countries so that we can keep our homeland safe. America must remain the strongest nation in the world in order to remain free. And our goal in the War on Terror must be the same as Reagan’s, ‘We won. They lost.”

Dr. Paul:

“Part of the reason we are bankrupt as a country is that we are fighting so many foreign wars and have so many military bases around the world. I don’t say, ‘Out of Iraq now!’ I say out of Iraq two or three years ago, or never go in – even better.”

SP/Going Rogue:

“We are both the world’s sword and its shield…we lend not just our strength but the support of a free people to others who are fighting for their freedom. They need to know that America is not indifferent to their struggles…nations like Israel need to be confident of our support.”

Dr. Paul:

“You have to ask yourself, ‘Do you kill more terrorists than you create?’ We inflamed an entire region there and I don’t think it was the best thing for our national defense or for our country. We have to decide if putting missiles in Poland is going to provoke Russia or if we can afford to put missiles in Poland.”

SP/Going Rogue:

“But we have been given a unique responsibility to show the world the meaning and the rewards of freedom. America, as Reagan said, ‘is the abiding alternative to tyranny.’

Dr. Paul:

“I think that these issues [the economy and maintaining the American “empire:”] become the political coalition you need to win a race because there are people from the left who acknowledge the vast expenditure of the military industrial complex. There are some on the right that are beginning to understand that. It’s really that sort of right-left paradigm that you bring these groups together in order to try to win an election.”

[At least Dr. Paul had the decency to tell Alex Jones clearly:

“I’d say we’d be very very similar (Dr. Rand and Ron Paul). We might present the message sometimes differently.. I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary.” ]

This means that, while Going Rogue insists:

“It is not in our best interests or the interests of the peace-loving nations of the world for America to project weakness to terrorists and tyrants,”

Dr. Paul’s ideas about terrorists would be “very, very similar” to his father’s: “They are terrorists because we are occupiers.”

Four months ago, Sarah Palin signed her name, tens of thousands of times, to Going Rogue’s vision of America. That vision is now so much silver to barter with. Endorsement rarely implies total concurrence. However, the logical conclusion of this endorsement is that Palin considers America’s global defense of freedom, national defense, the War on Terror, the defeat of Radical Islam, and the support of Israel and our allies, to be less important than “some” domestic policy issues.

By designating Dr. Paul as someone who should be influencing foreign policy, Sarah Palin has joined forces with a man whose vision of America substantively mimics that of Michael Moore. It is time to reread Horowitz. Deviating from principled intellectualism will reduce the Tea Party to a gruesome mirror image of the eschatological, savior-seeking deplored in the Obama apotheosis.

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They do not attack for what we are, they attack us because we are in their countries. (Rand Paul in Montana, January 29, 2009)

They are in our face, in our country because we are in their country. (Rand Paul in Montana, January 29, 2009)

And as posted here at FR: an insightful look as well from Salon: How Rand Paul became the Tea Party's Obama Salon.com ^ | 5-14-10 | Ben Van Heuvelen Posted on Friday, May 14, 2010 4:49:47 PM by Christian_Capitalist

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(There are a number of insights offered here; would add as well, while Palin is unequivical on Israel, it appears that Paul's inclinations are not nearly as ardent.)

Personally, given 'our times'/politics/philosophy; and knowing what I know re Paul; and considering Cheney versus Palin endodrsements; I would not be casting my vote for Paul.

84 posted on 05/15/2010 2:35:32 PM PDT by cricket (We ARE the Truman Show)
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To: cricket

This was the question.

>”You never explain why Trey Grayson should be the GOP Senator instead.

You never explain why Jim DeMint, Jim Bunning, Sarah Palin, Steve Forbes, and Dr. James Dobson don’t buy all your conspiracy, name associations.

You also don’t explain why Kentucky conservatives don’t buy it.”<

By the way, Cheney wanting to homosexualize the military does not make him a better endorsement than Jim DeMint or Governor Palin.


85 posted on 05/15/2010 2:51:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (MITT: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

As usual, you twist things all out of shape and context.

Like I’ve told you many times now: Stay away from me, troll.


86 posted on 05/15/2010 2:55:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Yesterday, I read everything Elena Kagan has ever published. It didn't take long..." -- Paul Campos)
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To: EternalVigilance

Don’t go troll on me, I asked a straight forward question and you immediately went into the personal attacks and now the name calling, you have to stop that.

You can’t personalize everything.


87 posted on 05/15/2010 2:58:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (MITT: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: pinochet
Could Rand Paul Be The Next Ronald Reagan?

No, Rand Paul is just plain old Rand Paul.

Really, I think our best hope is that, when he was growing up, he picked up a lot of political philosophy from his dad's best friends...

...like, for example, Ronald Reagan.

88 posted on 05/15/2010 3:04:29 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: ansel12

Hey troll, let me rephrase, since you’re not getting it: Don’t post to me.


89 posted on 05/15/2010 3:15:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Yesterday, I read everything Elena Kagan has ever published. It didn't take long..." -- Paul Campos)
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To: EternalVigilance
Come on. Rand Paul has spent most of his life as the son of a Congressman, one who has been in office for more than three decades.

And in those three decades has done ABSOLUTLY NOTHING except take as many earmarks as he can get his hands on.
90 posted on 05/15/2010 3:26:51 PM PDT by John D
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To: pinochet
"Could Rand Paul Be The Next Ronald Reagan?"

While we're at it, how about the question: "Could brrraaakkk obamao be a reincarnation of Ronald Reagan?"

Surely you jest...RP is a fine gentleman and light-years better than any demoncrud or RINO, but lets not get into the premature-ejaculation stage over him...

91 posted on 05/15/2010 4:20:43 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t know how you get away with the personal stuff that you do, but the personal attacks are not called for, I asked you for clarification, and you answered with a personal attack, what your obsession is I don’t know, but you need to quit making everything personal.


92 posted on 05/15/2010 5:35:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (MITT: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You mean Texas Gubernatorial candidate Bill White?


93 posted on 05/15/2010 5:38:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (MITT: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

Stay away from me.


94 posted on 05/15/2010 5:55:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Yesterday, I read everything Elena Kagan has ever published. It didn't take long..." -- Paul Campos)
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To: cricket
Much has been written; but Calvin Freiburger does a quick summation

And just who the heck is Calvin Freiburger? Oh wait. He's this guy...

A conservative political science major at Hillsdale College, dedicated to the principles of the American Founding. He also blogs at rightcal.wordpress.com. When not hitting the books or battling the forces of the Left, Calvin plays the trumpet, spoils his cats, and consumes possibly-unhealthy amounts of science fiction and other assorted frivolities.

And in other news, I hear Tray Grayson also just secured the crucial endorsement of Sheldon E. Burgenhoffermeyer III, a level 28 Dungeons and Dragons master studying theater at Central Lexington Community College.

95 posted on 05/15/2010 5:57:42 PM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: pinochet

No.

Chris Christie has a shot at it, though.


96 posted on 05/15/2010 6:51:57 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (FR threads critical of John McCain, Michael Steele, and Karl Rove really cheer me up! :-D)
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To: pinochet
Ron Paul a conservative?

His open borders issues?

Excuse me?

He knows the vast majority of his supporters are 14K losers who want open borders so hot chicks from sh*thole 3rd /world counties can be moving here.

(He knows the losers that support his campaign see that's only way (short of a huge stack of $20 bills and a mountain of cocaine) they will ever get lucky :^( -
The losers know it too!

RuPaul, King of the ---(those whose needs are unmet as they are total losers)

97 posted on 05/15/2010 7:49:03 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: NYCslicker
Why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

Simple. There is no doubt on his positions.

98 posted on 05/15/2010 8:03:59 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Did Ronald Reagan have a lunatic for a father?

No, but he had a couple lunatic kids.

99 posted on 05/15/2010 8:05:34 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: conimbricenses

LOL !!!


100 posted on 05/15/2010 8:05:50 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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