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1 posted on 05/19/2010 9:17:44 AM PDT by DB9
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To: DB9

Good read.


2 posted on 05/19/2010 9:19:45 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: DB9

Goofy. It will shake out in November. The Crats are crowing about this???


3 posted on 05/19/2010 9:26:01 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (S)
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To: DB9

Burns still has a shot in November, when the Indies come out to vote


4 posted on 05/19/2010 9:28:30 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: DB9

If I read this article correctly, the Governor set things up so that the special election was, in effect, being run like a primary. Democrats had no choice but to vote for a Democrat.

You may remember the trick of providing a pencil attached to a string in each voting booth. The powers-that-be could then note which way the string was angled to tell who voted for whom. Since, in this case, the polling records indicate who asked for a given ballot, the “secret ballot” principle was eliminated, for all intents and purposes.

Voter intimidation without the New Black Panther clubs.


5 posted on 05/19/2010 9:29:08 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: DB9
In primary elections, voters go to the polls and are asked their party affiliation. They are then given a ballot which corresponds to that affiliation. Independents are given a separate ballot.

Independents don't vote in PA unless, PA is a closed primary. I agree at a high level with his premise but there is no crossover voting in PA for a primary unless you change parties before the election with that purpose in mind.

7 posted on 05/19/2010 9:30:38 AM PDT by Dad was my hero
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I, for one, don't think and didn't think that we should even have thought we'd just waltz into a victory in PA-12, for reasons I elucidated in a post earlier today on another thread.

November may end up being a little different - by this time, Critz will have a record that may be used against him, if he's toed the Obama/Pelosi line, or he may lose Demecrat Party enthusiasm and support if he hasn't. There will also be no Sestak/Specter race heading up the ballot to get Dems enthusiastic. Toomey may have some coattails. Burns won't be hurt by a concurrent primary battle within his own Party.

Who knows.

It'll still be a trick to win it in November, and I'm personally doubtful, since PA-12 is NOT, despite the efforts of some to cast it as such, a swing district by any means.

9 posted on 05/19/2010 9:31:48 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: DB9

So only about 8000 Independents ended up voting.


10 posted on 05/19/2010 9:32:27 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (S)
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To: DB9

I knew burns was finished when I saw the first commercial saying that Burns advocated a 23% national sales tax on everything. Showed what people would pay for food and medicine. They kept running ‘em and it was all over. People must have thought he was nuts.


11 posted on 05/19/2010 9:33:31 AM PDT by all the best
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To: DB9

Good analysis. Another reason Tim lost is that organizations like the GOP, ALG, and others that brag about their “grassroots organizing” are too busy playing games to get down to the business of registering voters, counting heads, and turning out the vote. What we really need is some “Tea Roots” organizing. The Tea Party folks will definitely do it right!


15 posted on 05/19/2010 9:38:58 AM PDT by hampdenkid
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One important lesson here...if you support the Fair Tax, the Dems will use it to beat you into the ground with brazen demagoguery. (the truth on this issue cannot be explained in 30 second ads) Sad that we’ve entered an age where constructive ideas can’t be sold to voters if they don’t fit into a 30-second jingle.


19 posted on 05/19/2010 9:42:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

ping


20 posted on 05/19/2010 9:43:05 AM PDT by nutmeg (You didn't "misspeak", Mr. Blumenthal... you LIED)
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Spin this anyway you want..I go back to what a resident of that district wrote on Monday:

Scott Brown and Tom Corbett headlined a rally in Washington, Pa.(my hometown) for Burns on Friday. It drew 75 people. Counting media, Burns volunteers, local cops and security for Corbett and Burns, the headcount was about 125.

Apparently, the support just wasn't there for Burns, for whatever reason. Hopefully he can work on his strategy in the coming months.

24 posted on 05/19/2010 9:53:25 AM PDT by Hildy
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Actually he missed a couple of important points.

Burns was appointed by the state check pants Repub committee to run in the special election rather than Col. Bill Russell, the Conservative Republican that ran against murtha in the last election.

Such was the animosity between state GOP Chairman Rob Gleason and Col. Russell that Gleason, a good buddy of murtha, refused to endorse Russell in his 2008 run against the incumbent.

Word on the street is that Burns was chosen as he had the finances to support his own campaign. These shenanigans raised a lot of ire in the Russell camp with, I would guess, probably a few staying home in disgust.

Also AFSCME and some others were running adds saying that Burns wanted to raise sales taxes to 23% (part of the Fair Tax) without telling voters anything about the rest of the plan.

Burns did little to counter this, running no adds that I saw to educate voters on his position.

26 posted on 05/19/2010 9:56:23 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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Nathan, another big reason why this race was an anomaly and should not be considered a bellwether.


29 posted on 05/19/2010 10:37:30 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: bmwcyle

This is an interesting explanation...


30 posted on 05/19/2010 10:45:11 AM PDT by Apple Blossom (Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed regularly, and for the same reason.)
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To: DB9

I hope this is not a omen come Nov. for FR’s sake. Things can still go the Obama and Dems way this Nov.


31 posted on 05/19/2010 1:59:05 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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They held onto a district specifically carved out to keep John Murtha (D-Hell) in office. 2 to 1 Dim registration and heavily union. Add to that that the democrat had to run as a conservative and wanted no association whatsoever with the regime. Yeah that's something for Barry to hang his hat on.

More important, the KY race put a Tea Party favorite in over an establishment picked candidate in a landslide. If team Bam Bam is smart they'd be very concerned behind the scenes.

32 posted on 05/19/2010 5:31:08 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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