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To: Former Military Chick
Joseph Bloom, a psychiatrist at Oregon Health and Science University and an expert on civil commitment law, says the police who apprehended and detained Pyles likely were acting within the state’s laws. Bloom says the police are permitted to decide on their own to take someone in for an evaluation, and that there’s no requirement that they first consult with a judge or a mental health professional.

Always watch out for the professional liars - they're the worst. What Bloom isn't saying is that it is precisely the fact that these police abused their powers of evaluation to make this raid. Those powers are not devoid of responsibility. Put on the stand, these cops will not be able to justify their evaluatory conclusions, and the state will therefore not back them up since without justification, it was an abuse of power. So the suit will nail the cops for abuse, and the state for lack of oversight and training.

Of course, in truth this was a political op to push the boundaries of acclimitization for civil SWAT raids with no probable cause to either shoot political enemies dead or throw them into psychiatric lockups. Sound farfetched? Read about the Soviet Union psych prisons - and then read Cass Sunstein and Elena Kagan...

17 posted on 05/19/2010 2:51:23 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

>>Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler, authors Thomas Roeder, Volker Kubillus and Anthony Burwell

This is an rather informative book on the subject, albeit from a Scientology press, and explains in detail how the Psychiatric community in Germany supported Nazism.


25 posted on 05/19/2010 2:57:24 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes!Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -Ummrika is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Talisker

The USSR had no shortage of shrinks who would swear that dissidents needed to be locked up “for their own good.”


46 posted on 05/19/2010 3:54:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Talisker
True regarding this statement:

Joseph Bloom, a psychiatrist at Oregon Health and Science University and an expert on civil commitment law, says the police who apprehended and detained Pyles likely were acting within the state’s laws. Bloom says the police are permitted to decide on their own to take someone in for an evaluation, and that there’s no requirement that they first consult with a judge or a mental health professional.

As far as I know the police would have to have one of three criteria of a 5150(see below):

1) Danger to Others

2) Danger to self

3) Gravely disabled

If the alleged citizen meets one or more of these criteria the police are obligated to have a psychiatric exam however this sounds much more like some obtuse filed complaint in which the police overreacted badly. Could be a major lawsuit. Just entering a psych facility and not having the whole thing expunged completely can come back and bite this man thus taking away his 2nd amendment rights forever or else if no reprimand the police could continue this practice. He needs to fight this. The shrink is wrong according to his statement and should have knowledge of the criteria.

71 posted on 05/19/2010 4:59:29 PM PDT by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before."DDE)
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