Skip to comments.The New Old German Problem
Posted on 05/22/2010 2:10:42 PM PDT by decimon
Reflections on Germany
(Munich) Ive been walking the last two days through Munich. Much of the city core was bombed out by the allies by spring 1945. Yet today there is little evidence of such destruction. The museums are among the best in the world, the streets and parks spotless, the infrastructure superb, and the people as hard at work as ever. To walk an urban street in Germany is a different experience from say in Athens or Istanbultraffic follows law, pedestrians are respected, horns are used rarely, trash is absent. In other words, things work and work well.
Such observations sound stereotypical these days, but to even the casual observer the difference between life in Germany and much of eastern and southern Mediterranean seems far greater than the divide between a Minnesota and Mississippi. For someone who has lived in Greece and occasionally visits Germany, it becomes increasingly clearer each year why the European Union wont work. Germans work and create wealth. Yet under the present system, they do not receive commensurate psychological rewardsand increasingly insufficient material compensation as well.
And history shows us that an unhappy Germany is a very dangerous thing indeed.
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He is being a little hard on Minnesota here, it's a liberal arctic tundra but at least it has good summer weather.
I hope the Germans don’t bomb Pearl Harbor again
I have often wondered what would happen if Germany — and perhaps other European countries — were to open up the camps and herd Muslims into them, and then fire up the crematoria. What the US do anything? Personally, I would be strongly isolationist in this case.
A commenter made a good point: The Germans have been pacified into girly men; they are old and don’t the stomach for conquest.
Very soon German workers are going to grasp that all the financial reserves they piled away the last two decades from not doing what a Spain or Italy did are essentially gone. Someone in Munich worked 40 hours a week until age 67 for someone in Athens not to and for someone in Athens to demand that someone in Munich do so or else
We have the same situation here. And, eventually, even political correctness won’t be enough to keep the real taxpayers from revolting.
“I hope the Germans dont bomb Pearl Harbor again”
I take it that we should forget that remark because you’re rolling? (Just kidding).
My dad fought in the European theater and one of his most memorable quotes was , “ they should have left the Germans in France, they would have cleaned it up!”
Stephen Ambrose wrote that he was surprised to find out that the veteran GIs in Europe right after the war said they liked the Germans the best. They turned to and starting cleaning up their bombed out cities while Italians tried to steal everything that wasn’y nailed down and the French just sat on their butts and complained.
“The Germans have been pacified into girly men”
Good point. Thinking about it in geopolitical terms, the Germans and other northern europeans should realize that they have to stay engaged in the Mediterranean region out of self interest. If they carve out a new, shrunken EU and abandon the southern tier, those abandoned nations are going to succumb to massive migration/invasion from north africa, and pretty soon the northern europeans will be facing a tidal wave on their own borders. They should make their defense on the beaches, not the Alps - better to fight the fight on Italian territory or in the Balkans than wait until the tidal wave hits Bavaria.
There weren't any comments when I first posted but they now may become a good discussion.
My crystal ball is too cloudy to know if German demographics will proceed as now or if it matters. The German military was so successful in WWII because it fought a new kind of war. It could again.
In his book Germany and the East-West Crisis (New York: McKay, 1959)Willi Schlamm observed that such an attitude was already taking hold among the German equivalent of the Baby Boomers during the 1950's.
Don't overload your rowboat a$$. You have no idea what we're capable of.
LOL! What the heck does that mean, Dieter?
Ferrry intairestink, but dumm.
That’s weird! Because I heard something in a similiar vein from an American family who had lived in Europe during the 50s.
They said Germany was neat, organized and working hard: that you saw little in the way of damage left from the last war. Whereas, France still hadn’t picked up, gotten itself together, and lots of buildings still showed damage from the last war.
I’m not certain Russia’s collapse is such a certainty as VDH would suggest. I’m convinced Putin desires very much to create a new axis in Europe as he has been blowing kisses Germany’s way for some time now and they’re not the basket case they were 15 years ago. I know the demographics of both aren’t that great but I think it would be foolish to underestimate Putin especially given the tack we’ve recently taken with zer0 at the helm.
And why is that Hanson? Because Germans are genetically predisposed to be dangerous when they are "unhappy"? Any other group you care to mention who has this trait?
Animal House Reference!
Isn't that what China did with us? Loaned us money so we could buy their goods - while we shipped our jobs to them?
Shhhhh!, he’s on a roll.
Ummm, Germany's earned their reputation... the good one and the bad.
Thanks, I saved the pic for my collection.
I was wondering if the model number was the jet powered flying wing, so I looked it up and found that pic (@ wikipedia).
Beautiful Plane.. Although the Mustang Whooped most of them out of the sky!
Wasn’t the flying wing the Horton something?
No argument here.
I understand that East Germany was the exception, however. Some war damage was still there after reunification.
Notice VDH is now hanging in the editorial sidebar of News/Activism, not Bloggers & Personal.
Some blogs are blogs, and others are real, solid commentary. Thanks for posting this one.
I sure don’t comprehend Hanson’s worrying about a revival of German military aggression.
Their problem now is for Germany to avoid having to permanently support certain irresponsible European Union members. If they don’t think the Greeks will repay them, or that they will ultimately be expected to bail out the PIIGS, it is logical to expect that the Germans will “vent their anger” by getting out of the European Union and revive their own currency, so that the can engage in mutually beneficial trade with other productive countries.
The division of Germany and the Versailles treaty are ancient history, and Germany is no longer has an exploding population. So why would they want to occupy Alsace-Lorraine or grab territory in Eastern Europe?
He ain’t kidding about traffic laws. I made the mistake of dashing across a rainy empty street in Munich a week ago and being spotted by a cop....
No no no. The Greeks have convinced themselves this is all Germany’s fault for stealing their gold in WW2, and America’s fault for cheating them now with slick banking tricks. It’s not THEIR fault. No way....
“LOL! What the heck does that mean, Dieter?”
Just guessing but maybe it means the same as what we used to hear a lot in Carolina back in the sixties and seventies, “Don’t let your Mockingbird mouth overload your Hummingbird ass”.
Finally, the man w/a brain.....I salute ya.
For someone who has lived in Greece and occasionally visits Germany, it becomes increasingly clearer each year why the European Union won't work. Germans work and create wealth. Yet under the present system, they do not receive commensurate psychological rewards -- and increasingly insufficient material compensation as well. And history shows us that an unhappy Germany is a very dangerous thing indeed.
Look what happened when the Serbs were accused of doing just that.
Don't forget that The Won is, if not a closet Muslim, certainly a Muslim sympathizer.
I'm not convinced a newly awakened, strong and nuclear Germany is necessarily a problem for the US.