Obama Administration Backs Vatican In Pedophile Case

Breitbart ^ | 5/25/2010 | Staff

[Gamecock]

***Are Catholic priests no longer citizens of this country? Are they required to give up their citizenship upon entering the priesthood, thereby making them exempt from prosecution for crimes violating US law against US citizens committed on US soil?***

Certainly helps to explain the Roman Catholic fascination with legitimizing illegal aliens now, doesn’t it?

[Natural Law]

"Certainly helps to explain the Roman Catholic fascination with legitimizing illegal aliens now, doesn’t it?"

It certainly is easy to see who has and has not done their homework before putting their foot in their collective mouths. Reread the original article and post number 41 and see if you can still make that statement with a straight face or with honest eye contact.

[count-your-change]

So which one speaks with correct understanding, Pious IX or Chaput?

[Natural Law]

"So which one speaks with correct understanding, Pious IX or Chaput?"

They both do. You see, like the mistakes of the anti-Catholics in taking Scripture, the Catechism and now the proceeds of the First Vatican Council in snippets and excepts out of the context of the entire document, you cannot hope to understand the meaning based on a sole excerpt. YOPIC (Your Own Personal Interpretation of Catholicism) isn't what defines the Church.

The citation bandied about by Pope Pius IX was part of the First dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ which was developed in the First Vatican Council which took place in 1869 - 1870. It rightfully stated that with respect to Catholic dogma the pope is the supreme power and authority.

[count-your-change]

“It rightfully stated that with respect to Catholic dogma the pope is the supreme power and authority.”

“discipline and government” of the churches is not dogma?

Doesn’t quite sound like “autonomous” dioceses and a “confederation” does it?

I just can’t do the mental contortions necessary to think up is down and down up at the same time.

[TSgt]

Allow me to help you with that homework Natural Law.

Catholic Legal Immigration Network
http://www.cliniclegal.org/
To enhance and expand delivery of legal services to indigent and low-income immigrants principally through diocesan immigration programs and to meet the immigration needs identified by the Catholic Church in the United States.

In 2007 alone, CLINIC provided 7,676 detained immigrants with “know your rights” workshops.

Collectively, CLINIC’s vast network of more than 185 community-based programs located in 48 states provide services to more than 600,000 newcomers each year.

CLINIC’s Attorney-of-the-Day Help Line fields at least 20 calls per day from member agencies on the most effective strategy for representing clients. CLINIC’s attorneys staff the hotline which covers topics such as family-based immigration, naturalization, temporary employment authorization, and relief from removal.

Catholic Charities Immigration and Refugee Services
http://www.cirsorl.org/index.htm
Catholic Charities Immigration and Refugee Services’ mission is to assist the church in its role of “welcoming the stranger” by providing various services targeted to the specific needs of the Central Florida immigrant community. Our staff and volunteers seek to provide quality resettlement services to newly arrived refugees, ensure families have access to affordable immigration related services, and promote justice, compassion and acceptance for all newcomers.

Justice For Immigrants
http://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/
To educate the public about Church teaching on migration and immigrants; To create political will for positive immigration reform; To enact legislative and administrative reforms based on the principles articulated by the bishops; and; To organize Catholic networks to assist qualified immigrants obtain the benefits of the reforms.

[metmom]

As predictably as flies to you know what.....and for the same reasons.

That's no way to talk about your church....

[Natural Law]

"“discipline and government” of the churches is not dogma?"

This is a perfect example of why intelligent, honest discussion is not possible with those whose minds are closed and their eyes blinded by hatred. In response to my admonishment about taking a section out of context the response I get back is an even smaller out of context excerpt.

News flash, the actual state and teachings of the Catholic Church are not defined or changed by YOPIC (Your Own Personal Interpretation of Catholicism). YOPIC may change you, it certainly changes what people think of you, but it cannot and will not ever change what the truth that is the Catholic Church.

You are free to continue to spew falsehoods and hatred, but spare me the condescension of offering me an opportunity to affirm your apocryphal Protestant propaganda.

[Natural Law]

I knew that sooner rather than later I would hear that familiar buzz.

[Natural Law]

"Allow me to help you with that homework Natural Law."

None of that passes the "so what test". How about you do a little constitutional law homework and tell me what the following provision within the 14th Amendment means in the context of illegal immigrants:

"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Are you denying that persons both legally and illegally in this country have basic human rights and certain legal protections against violence and theft?

Are you denying that there are legal paths to citizenship and legal recourse available to persons both legally and illegally in this country?

Are you denying that God cares just as much for persons both legally and illegally in this country?

Sounds to me that you are pretty close to declaring illegal immigrants untermensch.

[count-your-change]

Now, now, no one hates you here. It’s just that when you offer up your opinions as fact someone is sure to call you on it say what you will.
And admonishment doesn’t work either but thanks for giving it your best.

[Natural Law]

"spare me the condescension"

FYI - Condescension is a show of disdain and superiority in which the condescending person patronizes, or considers himself superior and "descends" to the level of, the disdained person. Spare me, even your premise of superiority is false.

[count-your-change]

Looks like a snippet (or is it whippet) taken out of context from someone’s quote who really would have benefited from reading what he pronounced upon. naturally.

[TSgt]

"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Are you denying that persons both legally and illegally in this country have basic human rights and certain legal protections against violence and theft? Are you denying that there are legal paths to citizenship and legal recourse available to persons both legally and illegally in this country? Are you denying that God cares just as much for persons both legally and illegally in this country? Sounds to me that you are pretty close to declaring illegal immigrants untermensch.

The constitutional argument is separate from whether or not the Catholic church is pro-illegal immigration and I've proven that it is. Now onto the constitutional argument, the 14th Amendment is a post-Civil war reconstruction amendment that provided citizenship to slaves. Later the SCOTUS affirmed that children of Chinese immigrants who were BORN here were in fact legal U.S. citizens. You are stretching the 14th amendment. By your definition an invading foreign army would be covered under the constitution as soon as their boots hit U.S. soil. Nice try...

[Alex Murphy]

This is a perfect example of why intelligent, honest discussion is not possible with those whose minds are closed and their eyes blinded by hatred.

Funny - I thought I heard the sound of reeducation camps under construction just now.

[count-your-change]

After you are reeducated you won't notice the sound, all you will hear is intelligent, honest discussion.......or else!

[<1/1,000,000th%]

A religious issue Obama can support.

[Natural Law]

"...and I've proven that it is."

You have proven nothing beyond your ignorance. Constitutionally all persons within the jurisdiction of the US have basic legal rights. It is not legal to rob, rape, imprison, or enslave anyone simply because they are illegally in the country. To declare any person within the jurisdiction of the us outside the legal protections of the law is simply asinine. I do see a pattern here; Protestants selectively interpret Scripture, the Catechism AND the Constitution as it meets the needs of how the "feel" about any given topic. That sounds pretty liberal to me.

BTW - The sites you posted were sites that ensure that these basic rights are recognized and enforced.

[TSgt]

It is not legal to rob, rape, imprison, or enslave anyone simply because they are illegally in the country.

It's illegal to imprison illegal immigrants? You might want to tell ICE and the Border Patrol they are breaking the law.


Protestants selectively interpret Scripture, the Catechism AND the Constitution as it meets the needs of how the "feel" about any given topic.

Who said I was Protestant and what does my faith have to do with the facts? For the record, I'm not Protestant.

BTW - The sites you posted were sites that ensure that these basic rights are recognized and enforced.

Maybe on the surface, the real focus is to help illegal immigrants become legal American Catholics and push pro-amnesty immigration reforms.

[Natural Law]

"It's illegal to imprison illegal immigrants? "

Without due process? Don't try to play word games, you are not that smart.