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Cops furious at 'don't-kill' bill
NY Post ^ | May 25, 2010

Posted on 05/26/2010 3:57:47 PM PDT by KeyLargo

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To: Paladin2

Just do what Jack Bauer would do.


21 posted on 05/26/2010 4:24:46 PM PDT by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER! LION = Let's Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: 240B

Just because you shoot somebody in the arm or the leg, does not mean he is going to stop fighting!

If a shot to the leg hits an artery, that person could be dead before paramedics arrive. The same would be true if the point of impact is the axilary plexus. Many leg wounds are more leathal then center body shots.

This boils down to know nothing moron”s making laws.


22 posted on 05/26/2010 4:26:21 PM PDT by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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23 posted on 05/26/2010 4:28:28 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: TNoldman

You beat me to it!


24 posted on 05/26/2010 4:30:07 PM PDT by Exit148 (Loose Change Club Founder. Save your pennies for the next Freepathon. A little goes a long way!)
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To: McGavin999

We can’t shoot to wound

Justin Davenport, Crime Correspondent
09.06.08

* Commentary: Officers are trained to stop the threat

Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair today defended the actions of police firearms officers in the wake of the Markham Square shooting, saying the idea of being able to “shoot to wound” was “fiction”.

Today Sir Ian said the idea that you could shoot someone in the arm to disable them was not practical. He said: “The idea of being able to shoot to wound is fictional. For a start if you shoot someone in a limb it does not stop them using the other limb to shoot back.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23492346-we-cant-shoot-to-wound.do


25 posted on 05/26/2010 4:30:07 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Liberals are children. They think like children. They act like children. They talk like children. They have childish beliefs like guns can be used to only wound people because they did it in the movies.


26 posted on 05/26/2010 4:30:58 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Tarpon

Only A Flesh Wound

Black Knight: ‘Tis but a scratch.
Arthur: A scratch?! Your arm’s off!
Black Knight: No it isn’t.
Arthur: Well what’s that then?
Black Knight: I’ve had worse.

— Monty Python And The Holy Grail

On television, as well as in movies, there seems to be this general idea that if someone is shot in the shoulder, or in the leg, then the worst that happens will be that the person will grimace and go on with what he was doing before he was shot. Getting shot in the leg may cause him to hobble around a bit, but no worse than a knee sprain. A “good guy” will sometimes shoot someone in the leg or shoulder, “just to stop him,” and in television and movies, this is almost always nonlethal.

In reality, there’s no “safe” place to shoot a person, not even in a seemingly non-vital extremity like a leg or arm. Bullet wounds to the shoulder will almost invariably either kill the victim from blood loss or cripple them for life. There are huge blood vessels in a human being’s shoulder as well as lots of very delicate nerves and a very complex ball-and-socket joint that no surgeon on Earth can put back together once it’s smashed by a bullet. There are huge blood vessels in a human being’s legs too, a shot that nicks the femoral artery will cause a fatal loss of blood in only a few minutes. This was pointed out in an episode of CSI where a man selling illegally converted full-auto machine guns accidentally shoots himself in the leg, and bleeds to death almost immediately.

This trope is so widespread that it’s caused people to assume that it’s an accurate reflection of reality. In truth, since there isn’t any safe place to shoot at, police and soldiers usually aim for the center of mass (ie the torso) simply to increase the odds of hitting the person in the first place. Trying to intentionally wing a target increases the odds that you’ll miss entirely. (At least the guy you are trying to hit; the odds of hitting someone else, go up, which is another reason). When dealing with dangerous criminals and where innocent lives are on the line, hitting the target at all is and should be the clear priority. As they say, if you’re shooting at all, you’re shooting to kill.

Insofar as this trope has any truth to it at all, it comes from the fact that the largest muscle pads on the human body — about the only type of tissue which can take a wound of impressive visual nastiness that isn’t necessarily incapacitating or life-threatening — are in the thighs and the outside (not the center) of the shoulder. (The gluteus maximi also suffice, but that particular target zone is often felt to lack dramatic gravitas.) It could also possibly be explained by the character being Made Of Iron.

When the character insists on this, regardless of evidence to the contrary, he is saying I Can Still Fight. (Which he does not, in fact, have to survive.)

Video Games are usually an exception/subversion. Draining a game target’s HP is quasi-realistically enough to kill/destroy it even if all damage was to the legs or arms. In games with dismemberment, taking off a limb may lead to instant death. Very few video games actually feature bleeding though, but those that do tend to be Overdrawn At The Blood Bank.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnlyAFleshWound


27 posted on 05/26/2010 4:31:27 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

That’s like Warren Christopher asking Delta Force to shoot the terrorists holding the hostages in the US Embassy in Iran in the shoulder instead of shooting to kill. You can’t fix stupid.


28 posted on 05/26/2010 4:33:07 PM PDT by hometoroost (Proverbs 8:36 - All those who hate me love death.)
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To: TNoldman

I’ve never seen that show as I don’t watch TV, though they are talking about 24 on the radio these days. You’ll have to tell me what JB would do.


29 posted on 05/26/2010 4:35:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Hodar

That isn’t anything like BB Mtn is it? Yuck.


30 posted on 05/26/2010 4:38:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

I agree, that’s why I said they should just walk off. The dummies who are earning twice what the cops do will find out real quick what a dangerous job it is.


31 posted on 05/26/2010 4:40:19 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Illegal is not a race, it is a crime)
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To: library user

Actually, yes, there is.


32 posted on 05/26/2010 4:40:51 PM PDT by Melas
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To: oh8eleven

GUN FIGHTERS: Annette Robinson's "no-kill" bill is backed by fellow Assembly member Darryl Towns.

Assemblyman Perry, First Vice Chair of the New York State Black, Latino, Puerto Rican and Asian Legislative Caucus, shares the stage with President Bill Clinton and Caucus Chair Assemblyman Darryl Towns (left), President Clinton delivered the keynote address at the 2007 Annual Caucus Gala.

33 posted on 05/26/2010 4:40:57 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Paladin2

“I think The Rifleman, The Lone Ranger, Gene Autry, Cheyenne, Maverick, Paladin, et. al. basically shot the gun out of the bad guy’s hand.”

Maybe these chuckleheads just saw the scene in Blazing Saddles where Gene Wilder shoots the guns out of the hands of all those guys and you never see his hands move.


34 posted on 05/26/2010 4:44:33 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: KeyLargo

Expect a marked increase in hitting innocent bystanders. Trial lawyers dust off the appropriate case law in order to sue the government ie taxpayers.


35 posted on 05/26/2010 5:06:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: Paladin2

Rex O’Hurlahan is a singing cowboy - a goodie-goodie cowboy that shoots the bad guys in the hand, wears custom-made cowboy hats and shirts, only drinks milk and sasparilla and has a trained horse.

It mocks every Cowboy movie ever made - actually pretty funny stuff.


36 posted on 05/26/2010 5:13:35 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Paladin2

Jack Bauer is the Main Character in the TV Show “24”. When Jack Bauer goes after a criminal he is a “Take No Prisoners” guy.


37 posted on 05/26/2010 5:22:55 PM PDT by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER! LION = Let's Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: TNoldman

JB is prejudicial?


38 posted on 05/26/2010 5:37:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: TNoldman

Bookmark


39 posted on 05/26/2010 5:38:45 PM PDT by Publius6961 (10% of muslims, the killer murdering radicals, are "only" 140,000,000 of 'em)
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To: KeyLargo
Oh great. Now NYPD will have to attend the Annie Oakley school of trick shooting.

Don't worry. Cops all think they're Annie Oakley with a gun anyway.

40 posted on 05/28/2010 10:33:06 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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