Skip to comments.Historic warship Olympia may be scrapped, sunk
Posted on 05/27/2010 1:34:22 PM PDT by llevrok
Warship: Veteran of 2 wars rusts away
PHILADELPHIA - The old warship has been part of Philadelphia's waterfront for 50 years and left lasting impressions on thousands of visitors who heard gripping stories of its role in the Spanish-American War.
Now the Olympia named for Washington states capital and the last surviving vessel from that 1898 conflict could face an ignoble end as an artificial reef off Cape May, N.J., if a new benefactor cannot be found.
The Independence Seaport Museum and the Navy have already checked with officials of New Jerseys Artificial Reef Program on the possibility of sinking the ship, once a source of national pride.
Another option would be scrapping Olympia, said James McLean, interim president of the museum, which owns the ship and is adjacent to it at Penns Landing. But the Navy has told us that reefing is better because it would allow divers to go down on it and would preserve Olympia.
The museum can no longer afford the ships upkeep, McLean said. At least $20 million is needed to tow, restore, interpret and endow the deteriorating vessel.
We have a couple people were talking to who might take the ship, McLean said, but these things dont move with great speed.
The ship will be open until the end of September, then closed while its future is determined, McLean said.
This may be the last summer for people to visit, he said. They should come to see it while they can.
Another former Navy warship, the Arthur W. Radford, a 563-foot-long Spruance class destroyer, will be sunk by the fall to create a reef about 30 miles southeast of Cape May.
As for the Olympia, we recognize the historic significance of the ship, said Larry Hajna, a spokesman for the state Department of Environmental Protection. Its not our call. It was an inquiry. The DEP is not endorsing this.
Countless tons of vessels, military tanks, railroad cars and other materials have been reefed since the states Bureau of Marine Fisheries began the program in 1984. The purpose is to provide a habitat for marine life, fishing grounds, and points of interest for scuba divers.
Talk of making the Olympia part of New Jerseys reef network disappoints ship supporters such as Harry Burkhardt, a merchant marine captain and steam-engine expert who is a volunteer on the vessel.
Burkhardt is president of Friends of the Cruiser Olympia (www.fotco.org), which is trying to raise money for preservation of the ship. The group got its nonprofit status this month and has begun receiving pledges and interest from individuals and corporations, Burkhardt said.
We want to take over its ownership and operation, he said. We have a long list of ideas, but we have to save the ship to implement them.
Burkhardt, 53, of South Philadelphia, said he would turn the Olympia into a self-sustaining museum with a living-history crew and education programs for inner-city children.
I think whats happening is a total disgrace, he said. The Liberty Bell has a crack in it, but we dont melt it down. The Statue of Liberty turned green with corrosion, but we dont throw it away.
The Olympia was a symbol of Americas might and freedom, Burkhardt said. Now shes a symbol of negligence.
Concerned about the condition of the Olympia, the Navy sent a letter to the museum last May asking about plans to dry-dock the vessel for the necessary maintenance.
On the water line, small portions of the Olympias half-inch steel hull have corroded to an eighth of an inch and must be monitored continually. Water leaks through the deck into the interior, causing further rust.
We have cared for Olympia lovingly, McLean said. We have put $5.5 million into it and spend money on it every day.
The Olympia was authorized in 1888 and commissioned in 1895. The state-of-the-art vessel led five other U.S. warships into Manila Bay in the Philippines on May 1, 1898, and fired shots in a battle to wrest control of that country from the Spanish.
Navy Commodore George Dewey stood on the bridge of the ship and uttered the famous words: You may fire when you are ready, Gridley.
Under Deweys command, the U.S. fleet destroyed 10 Spanish cruisers and gunboats in hours without losing an American life.
The Olympia spent World War I in the Atlantic Ocean, and brought remains of the Unknown Soldier home from France in 1921.
It was docked at the Philadelphia Navy Yard from 1922 to 1959, and was on display at Pier 11 at the Benjamin Franklin Bridge through the 1960s until 1976, when it was moved to Penns Landing. Today, the vessel is the worlds oldest floating steel warship.
The Navy has been in discussions with the museum to come up with a disposition plan if they can no longer operate it, said Patricia Dolan, a Navy spokeswoman. Any plan for disposal of the vessel scrapping or reefing will have to be approved by the Navy.
The thought of scuttling the naval time capsule filled with paintings, photos and artifacts has raised the ire of historians.
It will be a national disgrace and major embarrassment for Philadelphia and Pennsylvania if Olympia is disposed of by scrapping or being sunk off the coast of New Jersey, said naval historian Lawrence Burr, who has produced documentaries and written four books, including U.S. Cruisers 1883-1904: The Birth of the Steel Navy.
Neither the Spanish navy in 1898 nor the German navy in 1917-18 was able to sink Olympia, he said. It will be ironic if the state of New Jersey is able to sink this unique historic warship that has been in the care of Philadelphia and Pennsylvania for over 50 years, and who have benefited from its role as a tourist attraction. ...
If sunk, she will only be seen by a small elite who are able to dive, with the risk that she will be plundered for souvenirs, he said.
Also expressing disappointment was the nonprofit Theodore Roosevelt Association in Oyster Bay, N.Y. Congress chartered the group in 1920 to perpetuate the legacy of Roosevelt, who was assistant secretary of the Navy before the Spanish-American War and ordered the Olympia furnished with extra coal so it could be sent to the Philippines. Roosevelt resigned from his office and served as a colonel in the Rough Riders during the invasion of Cuba.
The possible sinking of the Olympia is an outrage, said Howard Ehrlich, executive director of the association. You would think veterans groups would get together and lobby the Navy to save the ship.
Even sinking the 5,600-ton ship would be costly. Because of the ships 211/2-foot draft, the basin where it is berthed would have to be dredged so the vessel could be moved to dry dock. There, it would be structurally reinforced so it could be safely towed down the Delaware River to the reef location.
No decision has been made, McLean said. This is not what we want to do. In these tough economic times, everybody is forced to make tough decisions.
That would be a tragedy but these ship museums never are profitable enough to maintain a ship.
I think the only other ship like her in the world is the Mikasa from the Russo-Japanese war. Disgrace if she becomes a reef.
I visited the Olympia about 20 years ago. They had Dewey’s footprints marked on the bridge where he gave the “You may fire when ready” order.
It would be a shame to sink her. She is the last example of her kind of ship; a late “ironclad” with no sail, yet before the age of the dreadnought. To my knowledge, there are no other post-sail pre-dreadnought ships still afloat.
Good grief, some things are worth saving regardless. Surely the maintenance of this great ship wouldn’t cost a fraction of what this man has given away to non-producers just this year alone.
WA state ping
I stand corrected. I did not know Mikasa was still afloat; I would have expected her to have not survived WW2.
Love the shape of the bow. Not at all sure why they did that, but it wuz apparently the style of the time.
Somehow the Mikasa did survive US bombings. Based on the Wikipedia entry, Nimitz lead the effort to rehabiliate and preserve her.
It would indeed.
Years ago, "You may fire when ready, Gridley" was a familiar phrase.
How many people today have even heard of George Dewey?
I think that's her stern. Pin tail. Perhaps it had to do with available manufacturing methods available then - or just a cool design thing.
It’s what happened to the Oregon.
Congresspukes find millions of dollars for their useless pork earmarks, like a Tea Pot museum, yet not one dime for something this important historically.
Uh, see #14. Did you build WWI ships as a kid?
I suppose it’s totally unfeasible to move it to Olympia, WA... that would be cool (and it’s my old home town).
Mikasa is the last pre-dreadnought Battleship, USS Texas is the last dreadnought battleship, and Olympia is the last cruiser from that era. I think the USS Salem in Quincy, MA is the last big gun cruiser anywhere.
Will Obama come and dedicate the symbol of America’s Navy as a reef?
She needs to be saved. Our country’s history is not being taught to our kids and all historical evidence is being systematically destroyed.
I’d love to see her tied up next to USS North Carolina in Wilmington or USS Alabama in Mobile.
er....excuse me...thought this was about Olympia Snowe.
I visited the Olympia earlier this month. It’s quite fascinating and the interior of the ship open to the public appears to be in good condition. I’m shocked and surprised anyone is suggesting the ship should be scrapped or sunk. Such a thing is outrageous.
As for the Mikasa, which I’ve also visited: it’s not afloat. It’s encased in concrete and is therefore on dry land, at Yokosuka south of Tokyo. In my opinion, the interior spaces on the Mikasa aren’t as well preserved as those on Olympia.
We could afford funding to maintain important historic items, if government employees weren’t retiring in their 50s with nearly 100% of pay plus lifetime health care, and then their spouse afterwards.
The saving grace here is that Louisiana can't get a permit from the Feds done quickly for some barrier dunes to contain oil . It could be decades before making this ship a reef at that pace.
They are more important, more profitable as museums than $200 million dollar “art” projects (er, graffiti contests) in the inner city for juvenile delinquents....
Tow it to Bremerton or San Diego!....
I remember reading, many years ago, a parody history book that quoted that line, then said, "Unfortunately for the Spanish, Gridley was ready."
Yikes! I was on the Olympia as a kid. Pointed it out proudly everytime I drove by on I-95. It’d be sad to see it go.
My son's on the Olympia, just not that one.
Save the ship... make it a Hooters.
Seriously, I hate to see any of these old girls go to scrap..... but nothings for free.
“That would be a tragedy but these ship museums never are profitable enough to maintain a ship.”
And do we keep things in museums only based upon their profit? The land at Gettysburg would make a great subdivision. This would truly be as bad as sinking the original USS Constitution, Old Ironsides.
Of all the absolute garbage the government spends money on,,, they would sink this ship?
We hand it out money like *confetti* to ungrateful african dictators,,,also to North Korea,, promise 43 BILLION to the UN for Global warming, we buy rifles and Grenade launchers for the PLO,,
Probably the money the US govt spends on condoms and syringes for addicts would restore this treasure many times over.
How about another crazy INSANE idea,, sell Pelosi’s 757 with free liquor, she flies commercial and the USS Olymia is saved!
He is a lucky man.
As a resident of the city of olympia, please offer my thanks for his service AND my apologies when our #@!% commie city council refused to let her call about 5 years ago.
Given obozo’s peace through diplomacy approach ... the Olympia may have a lot of company.
I played Monopoly with that ship!
ships of that era had such great lines !
Ay, tear her tattered ensign down!
Long has it waved on high,
And many an eye has danced to see
That banner in the sky;
Beneath it rung the battle shout,
And burst the cannon’s roar;—
The meteor of the ocean air
Shall sweep the clouds no more.
Her deck, once red with heroes’ blood,
Where knelt the vanquished foe,
When winds were hurrying o’er the flood,
And waves were white below,
No more shall feel the victor’s tread,
Or know the conquered knee;—
The harpies of the shore shall pluck
The eagle of the sea!
Oh, better that her shattered bulk
Should sink beneath the wave;
Her thunders shook the mighty deep,
And there should be her grave;
Nail to the mast her holy flag,
Set every threadbare sail,
And give her to the god of storms,
The lightning and the gale!
Old Ironsides By Oliver Wendell Holmes
September 16, 1830
As you can see warship preservation is a long-standing problem. Both America and Hartford were lost due to negligence, and Oregon through stupidity. At least the state of Texas is doing something about its namesake battleship.
Also an 1897 ship,,, in Saint Petersburg.
Maybe the southern ship museums like USS North Carolina do better but here is what is in Mass.
USS Salem-private,barely hanging on
USS Massachusetts private, barely hanging on
USS Cassin Young/ USS Constitution-Boston Navy yard government financed, perfectly preserved and maintained.
Typical frickin’ Philly - try going there to learn about our own NATION’s history, only to find out very little was saved, most is a “facsimile” of the original. It’s SOOO FRUSTRATING! Take Benjamin Franklin’s house - his darn kids get it when he dies and then tear it down to make their century’s version of condos. I’m telling you...this is SUCH the “dispose of it” country. Our History is not only going down the tubes with this administration, soon...we won’t have any real evidence of anything that came before!!! Arrrrgh!
Yah gotta love our society today....arrrgh
It was probably done to increase her length at the waterline, which in turn increases her top speed. This is the same reason you see the huge bulbs at the the bow on modern commercial ships (and some warships) and was the theory behind the reverse transoms seen on many yachts. Marine designers have long come up with tricks to increase LWL for that extra speed.
I certainly hope something can be done to save the Olympia. I grew up in Philadelphia, and my father was very involved in the group that originally brought the Olympia to the City. This ship is an important piece of history that really ought to be preserved. There is no shortage of old vessels that can become reefs off of Cape May.
Only scumhole leftist PIGS would sink this beautiful and unique historic relic.
F’n Hate America pigs.
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