Posted on 05/27/2010 8:57:32 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
...Bravo, Oklahoma!!!
...Time to form a more perfect union...
a state constitutional amendment that would prohibit “forced participation in a health care system,”
Medicaid/Medicare Tax ...
Ohhhh, right! Fallin it is. savedbygrace posted the name upthread and I didn’t recognize it as a name. I thought maybe it was a reference to odingacare fallin, as in falling — and it can’t get up. ;^) I’ll take a “duh” for that.
If they are reading the mood of the country in the tea leaves they'll kill this abomination before all hell breaks loose.
...I hope you jest. 2/3rds of the states to amend? 2/3rd of the states to unite? Only 34 to form a new union. Better yet, let all the despots in, then build a Great Wall, take the Constitution and start a “New World Republic”...
...Whatcha say about that comrade???
The article was still there when I clicked on it. BTW, and if you know, is it supposed to be a communication from Mark Warner to the addressees??? Or is he also one of the addressees? Still in all I would want some additional sources to get very excited about it. I know, not always available...
I thought OK was a conservative state. How did they end up with a RAT Gov?
Check with Freeper patriot08. He seems to be pretty informed about the article and its disappearance.
As near as I can determine, neither of which are "mandatory", except that the States have been brow beaten into participating in Medicaid. The Medicare "tax" is all but a lost cause since the federales have almost unlimited powers to tax. Not sure if they can or do force oldsters to join the healthcare "program" once reaching 65. But since we've all been saddled with the taxes for most of our working lives, whaddaya gonna do when you hit 65?
Hard to say but I understand overall, and in his more lucid moments, he would stack up pretty well against many Northeast Pubbies. I hate to admit it but I have a Dim for a State representative. Old school and VERY conservative. Think Zell Miller Dim. Can't say if OK's gov Henry qualifies.
He went to OU... he was part of the machine. People are idiots. They saw OU and voted.
Pretty nutty too.
You can take it to the bank that Oklahoma voters will nullify Fed Health Care Law in November. However Red Oklahoma was in 2008, it is even more red now.
Agree. Just how big of a message will the OK voters send DC? Would 70% be out of the reach?
However Red Oklahoma was in 2008, it is even more red now.
I don't doubt that either. Little Sister to our north is walking the walk. Gettin late here in these Piney Woods; gotta hit the sack.
Brogdon has my vote! DUh-bama’s sock puppet Governor should be used to the veto override by now and will see many other of his vetos get tossed.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1721/show
that would take another $150-250 a month from pay checks - may start out voluntary - toe in the door?
>>In all cases, the states assert that the federal mandate on individuals carrying health insurance or pay penalties, violates the prohibition against the direct taxation of individuals outlined in Article I, sections 2 and 9 of the US Constitution. They also invoke the Tenth Amendment reserving to states all powers not delegated to the federal government.
Article I, Section 2 sounds like a weak argument, since it defines reprention by population and direct taxation by population (i.e. everybody).
Article I, Section 9 is a stronger argument, since it says no bills of attainder (i.e. bills that have fines and or prison) and that have a negative impact on a person or group (i.e. seniors).
Of course, the Tenth Amendment is the strongest argument. The delegated powers do NOT include health care - and several other usurpations - and as such that power is reserved to the people.
Now here is the $64,000 question - if the federal government prevails and the SC rules that the act IS constitutional, what are the options left? For IF it is ruled constitutional, the states have ZERO powers, save those the federal government grants to the states, and the contract (i.e. the Constitution) between the states and a federal government is broken.
And the $64 trillion question - should the contract be broken, can states “secede” or is it even necessary? The states had better be ready for it.
As a practical matter, all a state can refuse to do is to set up a state run health care exchange, or set up one with substantially different rules from those mandated by federal law, in either case the federal government is empowered to set up a federally run exchange. There is nothing such states can do to prevent the establishment of the federally run exchange or to prevent individuals from participating in it if they wish, so this kind of symbolic resistance will likely have the effect of:
1) *Increasing* federal participation in health-care funding and rule-making.
2) Reducing the cost control effectiveness in states which set up simultaneous state and federal exchange systems as a split membership will reduce bargaining power of each.
IMO one thing doesn’t get enough attention in most discussions here is that while “Health Care Reform” is politically unpopular, some individual provisions of the bill - including some of the most politically and economically significant - poll at 70% or higher popularity, so it’s unrealistic to suppose that we are ever going to return to the system as it existed prior to passage of the bill - that ship has sailed.
” and the contract (i.e. the Constitution) between the states and a federal government is broken.”
The federal government is a creation of the states. The states can call for a convention to abolish the federal government. Kind of like 1787 when the states met to ratify the Constitution to create the Republic, but this time the vote would be on whether or not to dissolve the contract. On the surface it looks scary and messy, but I’m sure there are smart people to figure it out while preserving our liberties.
There aren’t many choices left - seccession, abolition or civil war. It’s impossible for two groups to live together when one group favors liberty and the other slavery.
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