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So You Still Want to Choose Your Senator?
The New York Times (Terrorist Tip Sheet) ^ | June 1, 2010 | David Firestone

Posted on 06/01/2010 11:59:35 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Few members of the Tea Party have endorsed Rand Paul’s misgivings about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but a surprising number are calling for the repeal of an older piece of transformative legislation: the 17th Amendment. If you don’t have the Constitution on your smartphone, that’s the one adopted in 1913 that provides for direct popular election of United States senators.

Allowing Americans to choose their own senators seems so obvious that it is hard to remember that the nation’s founders didn’t really trust voters with the job. The people were given the right to elect House members. But senators were supposed to be a check on popular rowdiness and factionalism. They were appointed by state legislatures, filled with men of property and stature.

A modern appreciation of democracy — not to mention a clear-eyed appraisal of today’s dysfunctional state legislatures — should make the idea unthinkable. But many Tea Party members and their political candidates are thinking it anyway, convinced that returning to the pre-17th Amendment system would reduce the power of the federal government and enhance state rights.

Senate candidates have to raise so much money to run that they become beholden to special interests, party members say. They argue that state legislators would not be as compromised and would choose senators who truly put their state’s needs first.

Around the country, Tea Party affiliates and some candidates have been pressing for repeal — though there also has been a lot of hasty backtracking by politicians once the voters realized the implications. In Idaho, two candidates in last month’s Republican primary for the First District House seat said they favored repeal, including the winner, Raul Labrador...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 17thamendment; federalism; ratification; repeal; states; teaparty; utah
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1 posted on 06/01/2010 11:59:35 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It should absolutely be repealed.

You can clearly see how liberals are opposed to states rights.

Pretty soon there will be a move to abolish the Electoral College.


2 posted on 06/01/2010 12:01:08 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When we adopted the 17th amendment our Senators became Federal animals.

By repealing it, they will again become a state animal as was so wisely intended.


3 posted on 06/01/2010 12:01:58 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The author failed to mention this little tidbit:

From Wikipedia:

The following states neither ratified nor rejected the amendment:

1.Alabama
2.Kentucky
3.Mississippi
4.Virginia
5.South Carolina
6.Georgia
7.Maryland
8.Delaware
9.Rhode Island
10.Florida

4 posted on 06/01/2010 12:03:10 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (70 mph shouldn't be a speed limit; it shoud be a mandate!)
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To: texmexis best

It would also pave the way for Conservatives in Britain to resist democratizing the House of Lords (though that seems too far along to halt, now).


5 posted on 06/01/2010 12:03:40 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

State legislatures are just breeding grounds for CongressCritters. They are clearly too retarded to pick US Senators.


6 posted on 06/01/2010 12:03:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Times is too dumb to realize that the Senators are supposed to represent the states as entities. That is why they were to be appointed by the local democratically elected representatives, in order to reflect the interests of the individual state.


7 posted on 06/01/2010 12:04:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s a good idea.


8 posted on 06/01/2010 12:04:42 PM PDT by cvq3842 (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Well, after 2008, I sure don't trust the voters with the job of electing the President. Neither did the framers. That's why they had an electoral college. For years, South Carolina didn't include the voters. The legislature selected the presidential electors.

9 posted on 06/01/2010 12:04:52 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: texmexis best
SPOT ON!

Today, Senators are elected by K Street not main street.

10 posted on 06/01/2010 12:06:10 PM PDT by paddles
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I love this portion:

It may be true that appointed senators, accountable only to state legislators, would never approve of many useful federal mandates designed to put the national interest above local parochialism — including everything from the minimum wage to the new health care reform law.

Yeah, that's the point.

11 posted on 06/01/2010 12:07:55 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The fact that the 17th amendment was enacted in 1913 says volumes. Woodrow Wilson liked it, and income tax, and the Federal Reserve, The League of Nations, A virtual cornucopia of progressive ideas.


12 posted on 06/01/2010 12:08:08 PM PDT by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Pretty soon there will be a move to abolish the Electoral College.

In December 1829, Andrew Jackson wrote his first State of the Union letter to Congress. (It was a letter then, not a speech.) In it he proposed the following amendments to the Constitution:

  1. Changing the word "republic" to "democracy".
  2. Abolishing the Electoral College and electing the president by direct popular vote without respect to state.
  3. Ending the practce of having state legislatures select senators and go to direct popular election.

He got the last one, but it was 76 years after he left office.

13 posted on 06/01/2010 12:09:29 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: Boiling point

He probably wasn’t too opposed to the ideas of eugenics either. He may have been the most virulently racist president America has ever had.


14 posted on 06/01/2010 12:11:38 PM PDT by cvq3842 (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The repeal of the 17th Amendment would also increase interest and participation in elections for state legislatures.


15 posted on 06/01/2010 12:12:04 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Congressmen represent the people. Senators represent the states. That’s how it was designed. The states lost their representation after the 17th, and now look how much power they have left.


16 posted on 06/01/2010 12:12:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
--yeah--I can imagine the California, Illinois, or New York state legislatures doing just a wonderful job of filling Senate seats.

--one of the primary reasons for the adoption of the 17th amendment was railroad domination of several state legislatures-----

17 posted on 06/01/2010 12:13:31 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Publius
He got the last one, but it was 76 years after he left office.

Let's rescind that and use the states to put the brakes on Washington.
18 posted on 06/01/2010 12:14:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

it’s a good idea when state legislatures aren’t corrupt. It seems somewhat insular in this day and age.


19 posted on 06/01/2010 12:15:00 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Boiling point

Thanks for posting. That was what I was thinking and was about to post as well.


20 posted on 06/01/2010 12:15:03 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (The Left draws criminals as excrement draws flies. The Left IS a criminal organization.)
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