Nikki Haley, Still Flying Like a Comet (A week after allegations of an affair, she still leads)

National Review ^ | 06/03/2010 | Jim Geraghty

[MBB1984]

Circumstantial evidence is often the best and most compelling evidence.

[PalmettoMason]

And, by the way, the Methodist church is a liberal church. It is a member of the World Council of Churches, an organization that whole heatedly supports Marxism.

Haley and Bauer are Methodists. McMaster is a Presbyterian (Also a member church of the WCC). Barrett only identifies himself as "Protestant".

Who (besides you), cares?

I am assuming that you support one of the male candidates. If your candidate was being accused of a homosexual affair by a former staffer based on exactly the same "evidence" that you are accepting against Ms. Haley, would you be willing for your candidate's candidacy, life, and reputation to be ruined?

[texmexis best]

What you don’t know about politics currently fills hundreds of books.

Long late night calls are nothing unusual. The daylight and evening hours are used to meet people and persuade them to vote for you. The late hours are for administration.

Get onto a campaign and learn something before you start declaring late night phone calls “not a usual business practice”. They are usual, for the pol as well as for his or her staff.

[MBB1984]

There is a distinct difference as Haley is running as the “family values candidate.” One of her ads mentions “God, grace and family values.” I find it unusual that a true social conservative would be a part of that church. Since she is aligned with Sanfraud, the “fraud” connection makes me more suspicious Conservatives are being sold another bill of goods.

I am not supporting Bauer. But, if a accusation were made against a male candidate from a part time consultant or two, I would evaluate the claim on the same evidence. The quantity and duration of calls at most unusual hours to a part time employee speaks more of an intimate than business relationship.

[Bullfrogg]

Where is the evidence of 700 calls? Where does one get these
documents of 700 calls.....On what basis is your evidence other than your say so

[Bullfrogg]

I think you are whacky

[MBB1984]

Late night calls “usual” business practices? What about these:

7/09/07 12:01 am for 77 minutes
8/09/07 10:19 pm for 180 minutes
8/25/07 2:24 am for 146 minutes
9/20/07 11:28 pm for 207 minutes
10/17/07 11:19 pm for 67 minutes

This is just a small sample. Do they look like usual business practices to you? Did you know that 2007 was not an election year? Did you know that Folks was only paid about 5,000 for his services as a part time consultant? Do you know what office Haley currently holds and who she represents?—(just a hint, it is not a statewide office) Do you live in South Carolina? Do you know anything about South Carolina politics?

Do you often make responses on matters where you know so little?

[MBB1984]

Folks released phone records to the press on Friday.

[PalmettoMason]

There is a distinct difference as Haley is running as the “family values candidate.”

There is no evidence of her not living up to her "family values" other than unproven allegations by a convicted criminal.

One of her ads mentions “God, grace and family values.” I find it unusual that a true social conservative would be a part of that church. I find it unusual that a true social conservative would be a part of that church.

Frankly, I don't care if she handles snakes on Sundays. I want someone who will stand up to the good ol' boy network that made the mess we are in.

[texmexis best]

Actually they do look rather normal for a politician.

I was asked to run for office earlier in my life and I politely refused because of the massive demands place on me and my family. This is just one example.

There are others.

[CutePuppy]

Actually, this phone call sample is a lot more consistent with the pattern of business / campaign calls than lovey-dovey calls.

Where was Haley's husband? Where were her children?

These calls are made after 10-11pm. Most likely, after she spent time with her family in the evening and tucked in her children, maybe spent some time with her husband (15 min. - 1 hr., watching post-prime time 10pm TV?) to unwind, she got the time to call her "part-time" consultant (in political campaigns as in business, "consultant" really means "available 24/7").

Now, that's not only very consistent with family values (spending quality time and taking care of her children and family first in the middle of busy schedule) but a 2-3 hour phone call or even a meeting with a business / political consultant is far more plausible than a sex / love call. I mean, how many times "How do I love thee, let me count the ways" can grown people repeat in a span of 3 hours without it being entirely tiresome, while going over details of a business or campaign issues or strategy is not at all unusual. Husband, most likely, was not sound asleep at 10-11 pm when she was making calls, making the "sex calls" theory even more improbable...

3 hour "phone sex" (and apparently, several times followed by long phone calls made shortly after alleged long "phone sex" calls) would be a real stretch to believe in, unless you maintain that she genuinely "loved" him. 3 hour business / campaign call and a follow up shortly after would be consistent with usual practice.

Does "reach out and touch someone" qualify for a "physical relationship"?

South Carolina looking like a political cesspool? Duh!

[FreedomPoster]

You have the call data records? Were they all phone calls? Or were they mostly SMS text messages? Or are we running on an assertion of 700 calls from someone with an agenda?

In other words, while I’m not from Missouri, Show Me. I don’t believe squat without more evidence than this.

[FreedomPoster]

Link? What is the verifiability of his information, and what agenda might Folks have?

[texmexis best]

“Circumstantial evidence is often the best and most compelling evidence.”

It pleases me no end that you are not my lawyer. Circumstantial evidence is frequently merely coincidental.

This is a good example:

You know that lines were busy between a phone to Folks (?) and Haley.

1. Was Folks on one end of the line?
2. Was Haley on the other end or was the other end manned by a staffer?
3. Was this a campaign phone or her personal phone?
4. What exactly was discussed?

All unkowns, yet you have decided that she is guilty of something or other. I will repeat, go work on a tough campaign first and then get back to us. This is not at all unusual for a pol.

Business practice has nothing to do with it.