Funeral of Mgr. Padovese. Murderer, "I killed the great Satan!"

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[fabrizio]

Iskenderun (AsiaNews) - Today at 4pm local time the funeral will take place of Msgr. Padovese, killed by his driver, Murat Altun, strangely "crazed" last June 3. Meanwhile, new details have emerged on the dynamics and motives of the killing that has prostrated the Turkish Church.

The funeral ceremony will be held in the Church of the Annunciation, with the participation of the apostolic nuncio, Mgr. Antonio Lucibello, the Latin bishops of Istanbul and Izmir, the Armenian Catholic Bishop of Istanbul, as well as the priests in Turkey and representatives of international embassies.

There will also be a delegate of the Conference of Bishops of Europe present. The presence of bishops from other countries, particularly Italy, are not expected: After the funeral, in Iskenderun, the body of Mgr. Padovese will be brought to Milan, Italy, where he will receive other funeral. The funeral in Italy is likely to take place on Monday, June 14. The delay is due to the fact that the Italian courts have asked to do an autopsy on the body of the martyred bishop.

As the days pass, new details emerge on the story of murder and the alleged "insanity" of the assassin.

The doctors who performed the autopsy reveal that Mgr. Padovese had knife wounds all over his body, but especially in the heart (at least 8). His head was almost completely detached from his neck, attached to his body by only the skin of the back of the neck.

Even the dynamics of the killing is clearer: the Bishop was stabbed in his house. He had the strength to go out the door of the house, bleeding and crying for help and there he was killed. Perhaps only when he fell to the ground, was his head cut off.

Witnesses said they heard the bishop cry out for help. But more importantly, is that they heard screams of Murat immediately after the murder. According to these sources, he climbed on the roof of the house shouted: "I killed the great Satan! Allah Akbar! ".

This call coincides perfectly with the idea of beheading, making sense that it is like a ritual sacrifice against evil. This correlates with the murders of ultranationalist groups and Islamic fundamentalists who apparently want to eliminate Christians from Turkey.

Moreover, according to a Turkish newspaper, Milliyet on June 4, the murderer had told police that he his actions were the result of a " divine revelation."

Faced with these new chilling details perhaps the statements by the Turkish government and the first views expressed by the Vatican need to be revised. They had claimed that the killing did not have political or religious implications. Notwithstanding that, as Benedict XVI said in the plane en route to Cyprus, this murder "can not be attributed to Turkey or the Turks, and should not obscure dialogue".

Adding to the pontiff's justifiable concerns, are the increasing demands of Catholics and some Turkish NGOs that police should not stop the investigation at the presumed "insanity" of Murat, but proceed and delve deeper into his possible links with organizations of the "Deep State", even beyond the Turkish government.

The alleged insanity of the 26 year old who for more than four years lived next to the bishop is now indefensible. Ercan Eris, the church's lawyer, argues that the murderer can not become depressed in a day and that there is no medical report which declares that. Now it is certain that the young man is sane. There is no medical certificate attesting to his mental disability. Recently he said he was depressed, but now it is thought that this was all a strategy to defend himself later.

Yesterday in the Ministry of Justice came directly from Ankara to Iskenderun and explicitly condemned the act and ensured that he will do everything possible to shed light on what happened.

Establishing the truth is necessary for the Turkish State, because it shows its modernity and ability to guarantee rights, but it is also necessary for the Church. According to police sources, it seems that Murat is offering a new justification for his action: Mgr. Padovese was a homosexual, Murat, 26, was the victim, "forced to suffer abuse." The killing of the bishop was not martyrdom, but an act of "legitimate defence".

But according to experts of the Turkish world, the killing of Mgr. Padovese shows an evolution of organizations of the "Deep State" being the first time they aim so high. So far they had targeted ordinary priests, but now they have attacked the head of the Turkish Church (Mgr Padovese was president of the Episcopal Conference of Turkey). At the same time, their actions are becoming more sophisticated, less crude than before. There not only limit their defence to claims of “insanity”, already used for the murder of Father Santoro, but offer more explanation to confuse public opinion nationally and internationally.

[fabrizio]

Remember how quick the MSM were to announce that Islam and anti-Christian hatred had nothing to do with this, and even that the murderer was in fact a Christian?

[reagan_fanatic]

"I killed the great Satan!"

No, you did the 'great satan's' bidding, you islamist piece of sh*t. Congrats on earning yourself a place in hell.

[jocon307]

I’m pretty sure this murderer is also a liar.

But, it can happen that people got completely nuts very suddenly. I had a friend years ago who went from normal, to delusional, to paranoid, to dead by suicide over a period of two, maybe three, weeks. And his mother was trying to get help for him the whole time. Nobody would help her because he “wasn’t a danger” etc.

Well, he was a danger to himself. And who knows, under different circumstances he might have proved a danger to others as well as, or instead of, himself.

So I’m pretty sure that not what happened here, but it can happen.

[trisham]

Imho, many of us were simply waiting for further investigation of this murder, and suspected that this would eventually found to be the motive.

[sayuncledave]

The so-called insanity mentioned sounds an awful lot like taquiya to me, as doesn the claim of abuse, especially in light of the testimony regarding his shout during the event. That jibes only with an islamist killing an infidel.

[trisham]

ping.

[NYer]

Bishop Luigi Padovese

The doctors who performed the autopsy reveal that Mgr. Padovese had knife wounds all over his body, but especially in the heart (at least 8). His head was almost completely detached from his neck, attached to his body by only the skin of the back of the neck.

Even the dynamics of the killing is clearer: the Bishop was stabbed in his house. He had the strength to go out the door of the house, bleeding and crying for help and there he was killed. Perhaps only when he fell to the ground, was his head cut off.

Witnesses said they heard the bishop cry out for help. But more importantly, is that they heard screams of Murat immediately after the murder. According to these sources, he climbed on the roof of the house shouted: "I killed the great Satan! Allah Akbar! ".

Prayer of Saint Ephraim

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O Lord and Master of my life,
Grant not unto me a spirit of idleness,
of discouragement,
of lust for power,
and of vain speaking.

But bestow upon me, Thy servant,
the spirit of chastity,
of meekness,
of patience,
and of love.

Yea, O Lord and King,
grant that I may perceive
my own transgressions,
and judge not my brother,
for blessed art Thou
unto ages of ages.
Amen.

---

May he rest in peace!

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[BipolarBob]

Islam is the opposite of Christianity. And in opposition to it.

[livius]

I am in Europe right now and everybody here knew from the start that this was sudden jihad syndrome. The Turkish government immediately announced that he was crazy and had been in mental hospital, something that turns out to have been a total fabrication. However, I can see why BXVI was not able to say anything about it at the time, although now the Monsignor´s death is being treated as another martyrdom at the hands of Islam.

As for his being a homosexual, I think that´s ridiculous; he had a very good reputation and I seriously doubt this. It´s simply that our young Turk has learned that making lurid claims about the clergy is a very effective way to manipulate public opinion.

[Cardhu]

"Establishing the truth is necessary for the Turkish State, because it shows its modernity and ability to guarantee rights, but it is also necessary for the Church. According to police sources, it seems that Murat is offering a new justification for his action: Mgr. Padovese was a homosexual, Murat, 26, was the victim, "forced to suffer abuse." The killing of the bishop was not martyrdom, but an act of "legitimate defence".

Reached at his office in Ankara, Archbishop Lucibello said that Bishop Padovese had been close with his driver. “The bishop treated him almost like a son,” he said.

He said the driver had always seemed “devoted” to the bishop, while the bishop had shown “great attention and preoccupation” to the man’s depression. Archbishop Lucibello described Bishop Padovese’s relationship with the driver as “the same relationship he had with everyone: he was a very sensitive man, very attentive, very kind.”

The driver had accompanied Bishop Padovese on several visits to Rome, sometimes driving him from Turkey to Rome by car “for practical reasons,” such as carrying books and other material, Archbishop Lucibello said.

The two had come to dinner together in Rome at the residence of the Turkish ambassador to the Holy See in recent weeks, according to someone at the Turkish embassy to the Holy See who requested anonymity citing embassy practice.”

It does seem that the relationship between the Bishop and his driver was extremely close, and the decision of a 63 year old man to travel several times by car with his driver on 4,000 mile round trips to Rome was certain to cause some suspicion in this particular case.

[Renderofveils]

The Knights Templar need to return.

[Traianus]

Could it possible to find only ONE JUST THERE? So we can say with Abraham to God
(Gen 18:23) And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked?

[John O]

Witnesses said they heard the bishop cry out for help. But more importantly, is that they heard screams of Murat immediately after the murder. According to these sources, he climbed on the roof of the house shouted: "I killed the great Satan! Allah Akbar! ".

I guess that rules out the Amish

Adding to the pontiff's justifiable concerns, are the increasing demands of Catholics and some Turkish NGOs that police should not stop the investigation at the presumed "insanity" of Murat, but proceed and delve deeper into his possible links with organizations of the "Deep State", even beyond the Turkish government.

So is the world finally waking up to the fact that all moslems are insane?

[AuH2ORepublican]

Didn’t you say last week that the murderer was a Catholic, the murder had nothing to do with Islamism? I guess that it was you, not the FReepers who immediately blamed the murder on Islam, who was premature in your judgment.

“Witnesses said they heard the bishop cry out for help. But more importantly, is that they heard screams of Murat immediately after the murder. According to these sources, he climbed on the roof of the house shouted: “I killed the great Satan! Allah Akbar! “.

This call coincides perfectly with the idea of beheading, making sense that it is like a ritual sacrifice against evil. This correlates with the murders of ultranationalist groups and Islamic fundamentalists who apparently want to eliminate Christians from Turkey.

Moreover, according to a Turkish newspaper, Milliyet on June 4, the murderer had told police that he his actions were the result of a “ divine revelation.” “

[nuvista]

Oh, but Christian “terrorists” are just as plentiful and malicious as Islamic ones, right? /s
Can’t you just hear this from the typical lefty crowds?
When was the last reported case of a Christian or Jew slaughtering a Muslim cleric?

[Taxman]

Just how many non-Moslems have to be beheaded by Moslems before non-Moslems understand that Moslems intend to behead them?

And then take action?

[ArrogantBustard]

"I killed the great Satan! Allah Akbar! "

Last week, I was rebuked for suggesting that this murder was committed by a follower of The Religion of Peace.

Hmmm ... yes, those Swedish Lutherans are always screaming "alla akbar" ... must be a Swedish Lutheran.

[ArrogantBustard]

It´s simply that our young Turk has learned that making lurid claims about the clergy is a very effective way to manipulate public opinion.

It's certainly a good way to manipulate certain folks on this forum. Indeed, these folks seem positively eager to be manipulated.

[SuziQ]

It does seem that the relationship between the Bishop and his driver was extremely close, and the decision of a 63 year old man to travel several times by car with his driver on 4,000 mile round trips to Rome was certain to cause some suspicion in this particular case.

It seems to me he just trusted his driver more than he trusted other forms of transportation. He might have been concerned about someone targeting him on public transportation, or on airplanes, which would have hurt not only himself, but other folks, as well.

[Cardhu]

There does seem to be a problem with even those closest to the Bishop as to the actual function of this young Moslem man, who as been variously described as an aide, a helper, advisor, and a driver. In fact, here on FR someone was surprised to find out that the so-called “aide,” was in fact a Muslim.

The quotes from various Catholic sources seem to be dropping hints about the real relationship wrapped up in praise. Archbishop Lucibello`s “Bishop Padovese had been close with his driver. “The bishop treated him almost like a son,” he said. Also his preemptive revelation of his many trips to Rome by car using the cover of carrying books, on all the occasions?

Sister de Stefano said Padovese had asked her “to cancel Murat’s ticket for Cyprus as well for himself because he hadn’t been feeling well,” the Italian agency ANSA has reported.

“Murat was suffering from a serious depression for at least two weeks. Recently, he frequently met with Monsignor Padovese, who was trying to help him,” ANSA quoted the nun as saying. “He had even asked him to accompany him to Cyprus, but the driver refused.” Was the driver going to drive him Cyprus for the “practical” reason of carrying more books?

I do not know how many bishops cancel attending conferences claiming not feeling well when their “drivers” refused to accompany them. Or could it be that knowing Murat was depressed and the reason for that depression he did not want to leave him alone fearing what he would do to the Bishop’s reputation during his absence.

There can be no doubt that these revelations were hinting at the true relationship long before Murat, who suddenly got religion, purged his conscience in a homicidal manner against the one whom he claimed enticed him into a homosexual affair.

My take on the matter, for what it is worth, is that within Padovese’s circle it was well know what Murat´s true function was and this is their way they are letting the world know for those that can understand.