Study: Wind Farms = Bird Killers

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[ArrogantBustard]

Ah, all beer is Kosher.

I learned something new today.

Some beer is explicitly marketed as kosher, a fact which may lead to confusion ...

[I Hate Obama]

LOL. I love how everything the commies do fails. I just wish it didn’t effect the country as a whole.

[rcrngroup]

I can’t stand Obama any more than the rest of us, but wind energy is good.

No it isn't.
As long as it is subsidized by our taxpayer money, & supplmenented by traditional, coal, natural gas, oil, etc. Otherwise it is a losing, ugly, unsightly mess. I live approx 20 miles from hundreds of acres of wind turbines, and believe me, NOBODY wants to look at these from their house or farm. Cut off the subsidies, and these wind farms would die instantly. Talk about an ecological eyesore & disaster. I wish all the dumb ass liberals & eco-greenies who vote for & promote this green crap would wake up in the morning to the hundreds of these wind turbines humming in their back yards. I see the liberal elitists on Martha's Vineyard, including the Kennedy's didn't want these wind turbines in their yachting waters either.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

Some of my old links:

Go nuclear, Save the Raptors!

http://www.wind-works.org/articles/NRELBirdReport04.html

http://www.windaction.org/documents/13936

http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2008/07/24/new-data-shows-bird-kills-up-in-altamont/

Been saying this for years!

[Jewbacca]

“Some beer is explicitly marketed as kosher”

Yeah, I don’t understand that. I presume Rabbinic oversight to make sure they are doing what they say they are doing on the label.

Depends how anal one is.

[RipSawyer]

“Wouldn’t that cause the Earth’s rotation to slow down?”
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No, it works like a sail pushing a ship. It actually causes the rotation to speed up, we need to stop this foolishness before the centrifugal force causes us all to fly off into space.

[bboop]

I’m with you. I think Wind Energy is a pipe dream; plus it’s ugly, and now it’s killing birds. Just plain stupid.

[hinckley buzzard]

Idiots would be better advised to worry about the bats than the raptors. The raptors are scenic but have less ecological significance than bats do.

[wolf78]

To me, it's unsightly, and even worse, it's a pipe dream that isn't effective at all. Until someone figures how the electricity can be stored, it's expensive, erratic, takes way too much maintenance, and worst of all requires back up the equivalent of what the turbines can generate when there's no wind, therefore saves nothing

You can store the energy by pumping water uphill, by pressurizing air or by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. If you combine wind with solar on a continental scale, the back up needed is actually rather small. Siemens has done calculations and they came out in the 10% or so range.

In short: almost everything can be done, if you throw enough money at it (e.g. subsidies were also crucial to starting the nuclear industry). The problem is not so much engineering, it's economics.

[nascarnation]

I agree with the bad economics part.

BUT - we have to be creative here...

I see shredded poultry downstream for the starving masses due to the Baraqqi depression.

[Lakeshark]

Not sure if you're trying to agree or disagree, but oookay.

Wind power isn't feasible yet. It may never be a good form of energy generation except in places that have no alternative.

[wolf78]

Not sure if you're trying to agree or disagree, but oookay.

My point exactly: Because there's nothing to agree. Within an evolving market there are only alternatives, but no right and wrong.

[Lakeshark]

The market is only "evolving" because wind energy is a green wet dream and it is being entirely propped up.

It has no viability in any market that actually has other alternatives. It's okay in the arctic and similar places that have no grid, but anywhere in the continental US, it's a disaster that will help no one.

[wolf78]

The market is only "evolving" because wind energy is a green wet dream and it is being entirely propped up.

So what's the difference to basically any other form of energy generation? Coal wouldn't have been viable were it not for railways that get the coal from the mines to the power plants. Nuclear was dependant on subsidies for decades.

It has no viability in any market that actually has other alternatives. It's okay in the arctic and similar places that have no grid, but anywhere in the continental US, it's a disaster that will help no one.

I'd put it otherwise: It's not competitive in the US because there is an existing system that is paid for and works reasonably well. However, the US is just 4.5% of the world population and macroeconomic conditions differ. In rural India conventional power plants are far less reliable and soot (from coal rich in radioactive elements) caused countless (radiation/uranium) poisonings in children there.

Don't get me wrong: I also like nuclear (far safer than coal), I really love fusion and breeder research. But one should also admit that the reason France had success with nuclear power plants was that the French loved having the bomb and that Électricité de France was/is a socialist entity.

[Lakeshark]

What's the difference: Railways and coal work. Wind doesn't.

There are few macroeconomic conditions that favor wind power other than the arctic. Certainly not in India.

You put your best, most reliable options forward, not unproven ideas, or worse, wind power which has proven to be inefficient, ineffective, and erratic at best.

[holden]

Your concern regarding global slowing merely finally arrests somewhat the effects of "global acceleration" due to deforestation, which has been picking up its pace for millenia.

Remember the "cedars of Lebanon" has morphed into "Remember the Amazon Rain Forest (of old)"!

Man's lifespan use to be an average of 50 or so, now we're living, on average, well into our 70's. Since our DNA hasn't changed, it must be merely the acceleration due to fewer trees to slow the Earth's axial rotation.

So obviously, we're beginning to win this battle, just as cap-and-trade is poised to win back the Earth from AGW. With sufficient tax dollars, our benevolent government will be able to do anything.

/s

HF

[Hot Tabasco]

In michigan they’re coal killers.

Canada thinking of installing a farm in Lake St. Clair. From what I've read of these things, they need at least a 10 mph wind to function properly. My experience of wind conditions here in S.E. Michigan has shown that on most days, the wind doesn't pick up until around noon then begins to die down at the end of the day on normal days.

Before we got all the rain over the past week and a half and it was really warm, most of those days there was hardly a wind at all. I can't see dumping all that taxpayer money into a venture that requires 100% cooperation from nature.......

[cripplecreek]

So far today we’ve had a gust of wind at 7 mph. LOL

[Hot Tabasco]

So far today we’ve had a gust of wind at 7 mph. LOL

Exactly!