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Marine Faces Termination for Refusing to Pay Union Fee
Foxnews.com ^ | June 09, 2010 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 06/09/2010 12:20:53 PM PDT by LoneStarGI

A retired U.S. Marine who runs a Massachusetts high school's ROTC program says he faces termination if he doesn't pay a $500 union fee by next week, a levy he refuses to pay because he already receives medical and dental benefits from the military.

Maj. Stephen Godin, senior naval science instructor at the Naval Junior ROTC Unit at North High School in Worcester, Mass., told FoxNews.com he has been teaching for the Educational Association for Worcester for 15 years -- including 14 at North High School -- without having to join the union or pay an "agency fee" toward the cost of collective bargaining.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anarchy; liberalfascism; socialism; supportourtroops; unions; unionthugs
I'm disgusted by the notion that my employment would be contingent upon me having to join a union or else paying a fee.
1 posted on 06/09/2010 12:20:53 PM PDT by LoneStarGI
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To: LoneStarGI

Union “fees” or “dues” are nothing more than extortion.


2 posted on 06/09/2010 12:22:29 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: LoneStarGI

Forced union membership as a requirement for employment should be illegal.


3 posted on 06/09/2010 12:22:29 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: LoneStarGI
Union thugs need the money to bribe other thugs, many in politics.
4 posted on 06/09/2010 12:22:47 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: LoneStarGI

Unions consider themselves slave owners ... and slave masters.


5 posted on 06/09/2010 12:23:38 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years.)
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To: HonestConservative; holdonnow; Just Lori; kristinn; SoCalPol; socialismisinsidious; rush

ping


6 posted on 06/09/2010 12:24:32 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray. Stop Barrystroika.)
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To: pnh102

All states should be right to work states, getting rid of “union shop” state laws would fix this country overnight.


7 posted on 06/09/2010 12:25:12 PM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: LoneStarGI

The main business of any union is to collect union dues.


8 posted on 06/09/2010 12:25:31 PM PDT by SmithL (Don't blame me, I voted for DeVore!)
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To: pnh102

The Major even makes the point in the article. He’s been working for the schools for 15 years and was never part of a union. Now all of a sudden he gets a letter threatening to terminate his employment if he doesn’t pay a fee for the union. That’s extortion. Even more disgusting is that the superintendent and other officials are too cowardly to comment on this because they don’t want to get on the union’s black list.


9 posted on 06/09/2010 12:25:41 PM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

That is precisely why it won’t happen.


10 posted on 06/09/2010 12:26:44 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers

We need to have a few more “days”...one could be bring a machine gun to your union meeting day.


11 posted on 06/09/2010 12:27:57 PM PDT by Mouton
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To: LoneStarGI

This sounds like something worth starting a legal fund raiser over and getting an good attorney who will kick take the union to task!


12 posted on 06/09/2010 12:28:37 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

http://www.nrtw.org/


13 posted on 06/09/2010 12:30:22 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: LoneStarGI

That’s why Florida and most Southern States are “Right to Work” states. No union can force you to join or pay “fees”...............


14 posted on 06/09/2010 12:30:35 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. He's just some guy in the neighborhood.............)
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To: LoneStarGI

Is there anything GOOD about unions?


15 posted on 06/09/2010 12:30:42 PM PDT by lesko
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To: LoneStarGI
A retired U.S. Marine who runs a Massachusetts high school's ROTC
program says he faces termination if he doesn't pay a $500 EXTORTION BRIBE
union fee by next week, a levy he refuses to pay because
he already receives medical and dental benefits from the military.


Just an amplification to explain the situation...
16 posted on 06/09/2010 12:30:51 PM PDT by VOA
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To: pnh102

It is in “Right to Work” states, like FLORIDA..................


17 posted on 06/09/2010 12:31:29 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. He's just some guy in the neighborhood.............)
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To: lesko

private company unions? sometimes.
gubermint unions? no.


18 posted on 06/09/2010 12:32:32 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: LoneStarGI

Then you & yours should be ready to fight very hard against “Card Check”.

NObama & his minions have not dropped that idea.


19 posted on 06/09/2010 12:33:03 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: LoneStarGI

Straight out of the Soviet Union. Read “We The Living”. In the early years of the USSR, you HAD to join a union to get a job.


20 posted on 06/09/2010 12:33:12 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: LoneStarGI

$500.00 fee. Highway robbery.


21 posted on 06/09/2010 12:33:15 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: pnh102

It is, he could always decide to go “fair share” and have a lesser amount donated to a charity. I do, because I don’t want my money going to support ultra-looney liberal political causes.


22 posted on 06/09/2010 12:33:41 PM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: SmithL

“The main business of any union is to collect union dues.”

Man, you got THAT right. After I resigned from MY union (musician’s)I not only could pocket their monthly extortion money, but I also got better jobs, better pay, and more respect from the employers. They were delighted to NOT have to see their money going to the union.


23 posted on 06/09/2010 12:34:19 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!)
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To: Clock King

The unions have been doing that at the casinos in Vegas forever. People are turned away if they seek a job where there is a union.


24 posted on 06/09/2010 12:34:21 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Jee, is it any surprise that the most liberal states are all ‘forced unionism’ states, and happen to have some of the worst employment and budgets in the country right now. That’s a great chart on that site.


25 posted on 06/09/2010 12:36:36 PM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: LoneStarGI

I noticed that too, fifteen years and NOW they are trying to sqweeze him. What changed? I’m guessing that whoever it was that left it alone retired or moved to a different position and the replacement has decided to make an issue of it.

Pretty stupid to get into a public pissing match with the military over $500. It’s not worth the negative publicity in the current anti-public employee union atmosphere. Somebody is truly tone deaf at the union hq.


26 posted on 06/09/2010 12:38:07 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: roaddog727

Unions blew over 10 million yesterday. They need the cash. Dues could be going up for all union members, real quick.


27 posted on 06/09/2010 12:39:54 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: reefdiver

“Unions blew over 10 million yesterday. They need the cash. Dues could be going up for all union members, real quick.”

Looks like the unions got what they paid for.........

LOL


28 posted on 06/09/2010 12:47:45 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: EggsAckley

Eggs,,,,, I could tell you stories about the musician’s union,,,,,,,!


29 posted on 06/09/2010 12:55:25 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: LoneStarGI

**I’m disgusted by the notion that my employment would be contingent upon me having to join a union or else paying a fee.**

Being one of the few Conservatives in the Entertainment “BIZ” is even more disgusting, as I have to belong to 3 of the worthless Thugocracies!!


30 posted on 06/09/2010 12:55:44 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (The one thing we learn from history is .. People REFUSE to Learn from History!!)
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To: LoneStarGI
A number of states have passed laws which either require, or authorize public employers and labor unions to negotiate agreements which require, all educators to either join the union or pay the equivalent of union dues as a condition of employment.

http://www.nrtw.org/a/a_1_t.htm

However, as a result of Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, 431 U.S. 209 (1977), a lawsuit that was supported by the Foundation, educators cannot be required to do more than pay a union fee (typically called an "agency fee") that equals their share of what the union can prove is its costs of collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment.

Except in extraordinary cases, the union's costs of collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment do not equal the dues amount.

You have a right to object and obtain a reduction of your compulsory agency fee payments so they do not include the part of dues that is used for purposes other than collective bargaining and contract administration.

The employer and the union must establish certain procedures to safeguard your right to pay only a limited fee to the union. These safeguards include giving you:

•audited financial information about how the amount of the agency fee was calculated;
•an opportunity to challenge the amount of the agency fee before an impartial decision-maker; and,
•the right to place the contested amount of the agency fee in escrow so that the union will not be able to illegally use your money while a decision on the proper amount of the agency fee is pending.

Your right to proper safeguards is based upon Chicago Teachers Union v. Hudson, 475 U.S. 292 (1986), another lawsuit that was supported by the Foundation.

31 posted on 06/09/2010 12:57:18 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Heh. So could I Doc, so could I.

Cheers!


32 posted on 06/09/2010 1:05:42 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!)
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To: LoneStarGI
When I objected to the $60 "initiation fee" from the IBEW in San Diego, they vandalized my car and that of a fellow employee. I only had the new stereo/8-track player SAWED out of my car console. The other guy had all his windows smashed and camera equipment stolen. The initiation fee was 12 times my hourly wage at the time. Thieves. Thugs. Bastards. The repair estimate for my car console was over $1200 as it was a single plastic casting with all the instruments and indicators installed into it. I left it as a reminder of what union thugs do.
33 posted on 06/09/2010 1:14:03 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Valpal1

This sounds like the right tactic. Make them open their books and show that the $500 is in fact the costs of bargaining. However, I would not be hopeful of getting much help from the Mass Court system.


34 posted on 06/09/2010 1:33:36 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: pnh102
Forced union membership as a requirement for employment should be illegal.

In my state - it is.

35 posted on 06/09/2010 1:34:50 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: roaddog727

This guy has a standard ROTC contract where DOD pays part and the District pays part. He does not take any benefits or personal days. This is the case of a bunch of Libs trying to get rid of a motivational guy whose kids go to great schools and serve this Nation. They hope by getting rid of him they can get rid of this program and keep the entire inner city school in the pits. What a shame.


36 posted on 06/09/2010 1:47:52 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: mortal19440
This guy has a standard ROTC contract where DOD pays part and the District pays part. He does not take any benefits or personal days. This is the case of a bunch of Libs trying to get rid of a motivational guy whose kids go to great schools and serve this Nation. They hope by getting rid of him they can get rid of this program and keep the entire inner city school in the pits. What a shame.

On the nose. The teachers in our district have attempted many times to kill the JROTC program in our school because of the optics of kids running around in uniform and the motivational force of the Instructors who make a real difference in the lives of every kid they touch. Rather than inspiring them, it makes some of these teachers livid with envy and literally hatred, because the kids are also learning patriotism, common decency, honor and pride in a job well done rather than the "self-esteem" BS that the education bureaucracy is pushing.

The vast majority of these children go on to college and private life, and the JROTC instructors are zealous about the fact they are training potential officers and not just warming up the next batch of recruits. They regulate recruiter's access to the school and make sure that recruiters do not make promises or sell kids lines that are not 100% true. My daughter was in this program, and I can say it was the only real source of hope that gave us the ability to get her through High School and now into College when many if not most of her classmates fell to drugs and teen pregnancy. These people and their work is an unadulterated blessing.

37 posted on 06/09/2010 2:20:30 PM PDT by dalight
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To: mortal19440

Does this standard ROTC contract state whether the ROTC Instructor is an employee of the DOD or of the school district.

It may be arguable that the ROTC Instructor is NOT a district employee and thus exempt from the district’s union contract.


38 posted on 06/09/2010 4:19:28 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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