This country can sure lie to itself.
Posted on 06/12/2010 6:55:06 PM PDT by bushpilot1
Most of my sources(constitutional law ) believe that if the Supreme Court were to define Natural Born citizenship, it would be in 5/4 in favor of both parents being U.S. citizens. I don’t think obama like the odds,and will attempt to block any case.
I don’t know of any district attorney that would be willing to put his/her career on the line by subpoenaing evidence about obama. Most attorneys I have spoken to believe that the subpoeanes would not be answered and their careers would be ended. As for the book(fiction,non-fiction ?) and the internet posting of the “birth record”( non-certified) all is inadmissable as evidence. Thinking and believing that obama’s father was a Kenayan national is not proof that he was. A Prosecuting attorney would have to have a Certified Copy of his Original Birth Certificate prior to even considering to file charges. Obama has been fighting cases since January 2008 to block all access to his birth records.
This country can sure lie to itself.
The Morse book..is quite a read..a buried treasure.
Excellent find!
You’ll notice someone put a check mark by it. If that’s a recent check mark, no doubt it is because of Obama.
Pls click the links to the Nugent translations of native..natural, naturel and Vattels indegene
May open a bottle of wine..Thomas Nugent must have translated the 1797 edition prior to the Congress Convention. He visited the colonies..prior to his death around late 1770’s.
French to English: naturel = natural, native, free,ingenuous, plain
Leo Donofrio represents in a lawsuit more than twenty former Chrysler dealers who had their contracts ripped up by the Obama Administration. Those dealerships were in turn given to cronies of Obama, or supporters of the Democrat Party, a clear case of favoritism and blatantly illegal.
These folks have been truly harmed by the Obama Administrtion. They have that elusive quality known as ‘standing’, which Orly Taitz does not.
I you’ve read Donofrio’s website: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
- you’ll have an idea of exactly how his legal firm has the BHO Administration by the short hairs.
I don’t know of any district attorney that would be willing to put his/her career on the line by subpoenaing evidence about obama. Most attorneys I have spoken to believe that the subpoeanes would not be answered and their careers would be ended. As for the book(fiction,non-fiction ?) and the internet posting of the “birth record”( non-certified) all is inadmissable as evidence. Thinking and believing that obama’s father was a Kenayan national is not proof that he was. A Prosecuting attorney would have to have a Certified Copy of his Original Birth Certificate prior to even considering to file charges. Obama has been fighting cases since January 2008 to block all access to his birth records.
However a subpoena for Obama’s birth certificate would not go to Obama but to the Hawaii Department of Health. Government agencies do not reject subpoenas.
It is already public informaation that Obama’s father was born on April 4, 1938 in Kanyadhiang village, Rachuonyo District on the shores of Lake Victoria just outside Kendu Bay, Kenya Colony, at the time a colony of the British Empire. He was raised in the village of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Nyanza Province and the senior Obama was a member of the Luo ethnic group.
After his time in the United States Barack Hussein Obama Senior returned to Kenya and became a senior economist for the Ministry of Finance of Kenya.
Barack Obama does not dispute or deny any of the biographical information about his father.
Obama’s legal position on his eligibility is that he is a natural born citizen due to the fact that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii at 7:24 PM on Friday, August 4, 1961 and that if a person was born in the US, their parents’birthplaces or nationalities have no impact on the person in question being a natural born citizen.
According to my legal friends ,if a request is made of Hawaiian records , obama will then have a favorable judge issue an injuction to block the release until the prosecuting attorney can prove he has a need for the records. The Hawaiian records dept has already violated Hawaiian law by issueing information about obama’s records and not releasing the records to the general public so that the information can be vertified. Our legal system is based on facts, anything obama says in public or in print needs to repeated under oath to be used as evidence. FIrst you have to get the case to court. I think we can agree that the best solution for this issue if for the Supreme Court to Constitutionally define Natural Born Citizen. Then it will be up to Congress to take the next step if it goes against obama.
According to my legal friends ,if a request is made of Hawaiian records , obama will then have a favorable judge issue an injuction to block the release until the prosecuting attorney can prove he has a need for the records. The Hawaiian records dept has already violated Hawaiian law by issueing information about obama’s records and not releasing the records to the general public so that the information can be vertified. Our legal system is based on facts, anything obama says in public or in print needs to repeated under oath to be used as evidence. FIrst you have to get the case to court. I think we can agree that the best solution for this issue if for the Supreme Court to Constitutionally define Natural Born Citizen. Then it will be up to Congress to take the next step if it goes against obama.
A grand jury INVESTIGATION is held to determine whether or not any laws have been broken. You do not have to have knowledge of the actual commission of a crime in order to investigate. Prosecuting attorneys go on what is called “legal fishing expeditions” all the time to see if they can turn over a few rocks and see if there is any dirt under them. That is what I am suggesting. If there is no dirt, then the Grand Jury ends its investigation with no indictment and Obama is cleared. He would not need to testify under oath.
Since the state of Hawaii has already confirmed that Obama’s original vital records state that he was born in Hawaii, I see no reason for him to want to have an injunction against the release of those documents. The Governor of Hawaii, a Republican, even went as far as to name the hospital in Honolulu in which he was born.
You can bet that if the Republican Governor is confirming the Hawaii birthplace story there will be nothing on Obama’s original vital records that would be released under subpoena that say anything different.
I think that it would be great if the US Supreme Court would take on an appeal that would result in a definitive definition of the term “natural born citizen” but a quicker way to that end is to have Congress pass a law defining the term and adding that definition to the current section of the US Code that covers “Nationals and Citizens-at-birth.”
There is no current lawsuit working its way through the judicial system that would result in a Supreme Court decision on the definition of a natural born citizen.
We agree on some points and diagree on others. But as an old sixthies liberal I do respect your opinion even if it is different fron mine. I also don’t see any logical reason for obama not to release his records, UNLESS there is something in those records that will cause him to be removed from office. We may never know.
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