Posted on 06/13/2010 3:38:27 AM PDT by Scanian
Indistinguishable from Palestinians, that is.
I don’t think that it was missed, it was expected and so not addressed. Then the discussion goes to legitimate heir vs non-legitimate heir, and now you know why the fight continues.
Seems like the question of a homeland is based on shared unique history, language and culture. Palestinians lack these and are indistinguishable from other Arabs.
Druze and Bedouin have unique characteristics. Where’s their homeland?
Yeah, maybe they could put up a section called “great Arab contributions to modern civilization.” That shouldn’t take up too much bandwidth.
When lines got drawn, they were left politically in the cold as they had few settlements.
Druze are from western Lebanon, northern Israel.
The entire problem of drawing lines and choosing "homelands" is that all of the indigenous groups of Palestine lived in clusters all mixed together for thousands of years. This study proves that Sabra Jews and Palestinians not only came from common stock, but have also inter-bred throughout history.
The only way to distinguish them is actually by religion, not by culture, language or history.
It is military-backed religion that is the core of each groups political goals.
I was referring specifically to their pushing the allegation that Euro Jews (and their descendants) are really the Khazars who converted to Judaism and do NOT have middle eastern roots.
The term “Arab” is generally misunderstood. Bedouins are mostly Arab, not generally Palestinian, two separate groups. Iraqis are not Arab, many Kuwaitis are. It was the Hashemite Arabs that pushed all the way into Syria, militarily that left the Arab imprint on Palestine/Jordan.
Uhhhh...no. The Sephardim and Ashkenazic Jews have been found (genetically) to be much closer than previously thought, but while the genes show Jews to be “cousins” to the Druze, Palies and Bedouins, they ARE distinguishable.
Real simple: the closer the geography, the closer the genetics. That whole "Birds of a feather, flocking together" thing.
I have a close friend that is Ashkenazic and she claims that dating/marrying Sephardim is very looked down on by them because of the perceived closeness of Sephardim to Arabs.
Druze and Bedouins, as I incompletely stated, are somewhat distinguishable from Sabra Jews, but not Palestinians.
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html
My point is that I think we should honor the ethnic similarities of Palestine/Israel and perhaps recognizing a common ancestry could be the beginning of, if not assimilation, but at least political order within Palestine/Isreal.
The question is not valid because it poses two choices and implies only one can be selected.
The Jews are a people and Judaism is a religion.
Perhaps there is confusion between the ancient Hebrews and the Jewish people.
Jews people.
Judaism religion.
it ain’t complicated.
Judaism is a religion, not a people. Anyone who wishes can adopt or convert to Judaism.
I agree that Helen Thomas and all other anti-Semites can cram it, but I don’t believe that historical (or religious) reasons give anyone claim to land.
But what can't be overlooked is that what is being predicted in your citations is slaughter and earthly suffering for everyone and especially for Christians. I mean we are talking about the Apocalypse. When the Jews are singled out it is only because they are expected to survive and persevere as a people.
The idea that premillennials desire that Jews be slaughtered to bring forth the reign of God or that they feel this is some required judgement due to unrighteousness is neither accurate nor fair.
In most of your cites -- and most of the other things I've read -- Christians get it worse.
The end is supposed to be the final dying roar of evil, not its triumph.
Again to be fair I suppose there are pre millennials who think the rest of the world will escape the horrors but I always thought they were a fringe.
You would be surprised. Personally, I don’t believe in Armageddon. It is amazing how many people think it is okay to tell us that they want us to die. You may have noticed an up-tick lately since Obama has been in office, many people who normally try to hide those feelings feel more inclined to express them openly.
I’m glad if you don’t share their beliefs. Unfortunately millions do, and many of those self-identify as Christians. Sometimes it is entertaining but mostly it is not. I’ll FReep mail you some links.
I am afraid you are right. The very thought terrifies me, and I am not Jewish. I am not a fundamentalist, either.
I can’t understand why the Jews are hated so. They have contributed so much throughout history. There is no reason for this!
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