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Ahem.

My Constitution says the states and the people decide anything not given to the federal government.

So why is Cato taking an anti-libertarian position?

Ya know, folks, I like Cato working with John Stossel and pushing the ideas of Milton Friedman...but when they team up with liberals to endorse judicial activism from judges, it just makes me sick.

I'll keep donating to the Heritage Foundation, and maybe the Acton Institute.

1 posted on 06/13/2010 2:38:39 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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Now, 43 years after Loving, the courts are once again grappling with denial of equal marriage rights...

This false claim is soooo old. Everyone has the same rights. The definition of marriage is one man and one woman. Everyone is equal under that definition. I can't marry someone of the same sex as myself, nor can I marry multiple people, nor can I marry an animal or whatever else someone might want to desire to change the definition to.

The debate isn't an equal rights issue, it's about allowing anyone who wishes to change the definition of words and institutions that have been in place for thousands of years across almost every culture. If the definition of marriage is going to be changed who gets to saw what it's going to be? If every possible permutation of association will be recognized as marriage then there is no such thing as marriage.

Just the other day there was an article about some guy in Japan who married his pillow. Again, who gets to decide that definitions will be changed and if so what they'll be changed to? And if they are changed, why not keep changing them every 6 months to add new permutations?

2 posted on 06/13/2010 2:45:29 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to leave in the hands of the government.)
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When gay couples can breed without help from a turkey baster or stand in Vagina, I will agree to gay marriagfe.


3 posted on 06/13/2010 2:46:11 PM PDT by Venturer
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Homosexuality is a behavior, not an identity.
By allowing this purposeful distortion of meaning we already partially lose the argument as we have allowed dishonest people to frame the debate.


4 posted on 06/13/2010 2:47:49 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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Government embraces marriage because it tends to secure stable homes for nurturing the children that the couples’ copulation produces.

There is no basis to embrace homosexual pretend-marriages because such homes are never stable and such coupling can never produce children.

It is easy to figure this out. In fact, it is obvious to all.


5 posted on 06/13/2010 2:48:26 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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John Podesta!! Give me a break.


6 posted on 06/13/2010 2:51:21 PM PDT by La Lydia
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OK so two of the same sex can marry? Why not 2 siblings, multiple partners, a man and a goat? Once we remove the definition of marriage everythings fair game and only a judge’s opinion determines what’s legit.


7 posted on 06/13/2010 2:52:44 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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Our civilization has thoroughly forgotten by now that marriage is about procreation and child-rearing. This does not even enter the discussion now.
8 posted on 06/13/2010 2:57:21 PM PDT by TopQuark
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the Supreme Court unanimously affirmed that "marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man.' "

Then why does one need a license to exercise that right? One does not need a license to exercise a right.

9 posted on 06/13/2010 3:00:39 PM PDT by old republic
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Once again, if the pro same sex “marriage” people can explain how two people of the same sex can join together as husband and wife, I will also support it as well. Until such time as this can be demonstrated, it is not possible for it to exist.


10 posted on 06/13/2010 3:01:32 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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One of the many oddities in this very odd situation, is the utter lack of evidence that anybody has ever been denied the right to marry because they were gay.

Throughout history, many--- I daresay, most --- gay people married. Oscar Wilde was married to Constance Lloyd, and they had two sons, Cyril (1885) and Vyvyan (1886). The Episocopal bishop in New Hampshire, the Rev. Gene Robinson, was married and likewise had two children with his wife. New Jersey governor Jim McGreeey married twice and had children with both of his wives, before he famously announced he was gay.

Has any gay person ever been discriminated against and forbidden by law to marry?

If it's ever happened, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

11 posted on 06/13/2010 3:03:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr./Billie Holiday)
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It is the same problem, Libertarians has no moral sense.


12 posted on 06/13/2010 3:03:53 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Communism has arrived in Washington)
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I’m no Bible thumper but I think I’ll put my trust in 5000+ years of Judeo/Christian religion and civilization. Rather than what some anally fixated idiots just cooked up. Gays of 30 years ago where not so bold and in yo face.

So no to gay marriage and no on drug legalization...they seem to go together


14 posted on 06/13/2010 3:06:22 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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Cato (and for that matter Heritage) also support “Road Pricing” where government tracks your driving and then sends you a bill for using their roads, based on where you drove, how far you drove, and when you drove - beginning the moment you leave your driveway. I suppose they’d be ok if the charges also factored in what you drove, how much you made, how many kids you have...

I TOTALLY fail to see why they have such a big problem with the gas tax and want to replace it with a tracking system that Orwell could only dream of.


15 posted on 06/13/2010 3:06:32 PM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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He sites Loving but people are born black, white, or whatever. There exists no genetic evidence that people are born gay. If a gay gene were to exist, given the availability of abortion in this day and age, would queers immediately become pro-life?


16 posted on 06/13/2010 3:08:44 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 13 days.)
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Cato just jumped the shark.


18 posted on 06/13/2010 3:11:46 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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The reason libertarianism is a consistent political failure is that the advocates all seem to have stupid spots in their brains, which light up at exactly the wrong times.

This is one of those times.

21 posted on 06/13/2010 3:16:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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If the government can prohibit the marriage of minors, close relatives, and multiple partners, it can prohibit the “marriage” of same-sex couples. There is no “unequal application of the law” here. All men — regardless of sexual orientation — are prohibited from marrying other men. As are all women from marrying other women.


27 posted on 06/13/2010 3:24:05 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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If Cato is bedding down with John Podesta, who is the de facto architect of the Obama administration...Lord, help us.

Two gay people can already form legal constructs identical to marriage. They just have to hire a lawyer to do it. And when they want a "divorce" they'll hire lawyers again.

This fervent desire to "marry" is bogus. It's an attempt to force gestures of validation from those who disapprove of homosexuality.

Hey, Cato, do we no longer have the freedom to disapprove?

28 posted on 06/13/2010 3:25:24 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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Seems to me the libertarian position would be to get the gov’t out of the institution of marriage, leaving it up to folks’ faiths. Gov’t involvement hasn’t been good for the institution of marriage, in my opinion. Like most thing gov’t is involved with, it eventually screwed it up.

Freegards


29 posted on 06/13/2010 3:29:19 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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100% agree with you Recovering Democrat


30 posted on 06/13/2010 3:29:31 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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