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To: lacrew
...just pointed out that this was an incredibly wreckless, publicity hound stunt.

Right. Based on a pile of compounding suppositions as to the unknown motives of people you've never met.

...but when I see the police drag a dozen filthy, illiterate, children out of a home...

...an event that happens almost — what — twice a decade (maybe?), and has exactly ZERO relevance to this story?

...but they just incurred a $300k bill, and the wife has snarkily declared that she’s not paying.

Not that she's been asked to. I seem to recall news reports quoting Aussie authorities saying that this sort of rescue effort isn't something they plant to, or intend to, charge for. Not that they wouldn't accept remuneration, I suppose, just that it wasn't a requirement.

I have heard, on this board, several calls for Abbey to try again. What? Would people really expect the Aussies to rescue her again?

Are you expecting — even hoping? — that if she does try again, she'll encounter bad weather again, have another equipment failure again, and need to be rescued again? Do you REALLY want to go negative like that?

Yeah, if she tried again and got into trouble down under, I expect the Aussies would head out and pick her up again. Probably some of those guys would clap her on the back, and give her props for her indomitable spirit.

As arbitrary as it seems, there has to be a bright dividing line between childhood and adulthood. Its arbitrary for sure, but its 18 in our present society.

Emphasis on the "arbitrary" part. And, don't look now, but Obamacare just bumped it all the way up to 26. Whereas we've got an arbitrary line drawn, it still MUST remain the purview of parents to decide with their childern what it is they will and will not allow their kids to do.

Look, at the day's end, my point's NOT to be snide and disparaging of people for disagreeing with the decision Abby and her parents made, it's that I SO much HATE to see normally good-hearted conservative people leaping into the place of being wild-eyed detractors of the very brand of risk-taking spirit of adventure, perseverance, grit and determination that forged the iron reinforcements in the Foundations of this great Republic.

Apart from the kind of intrepid, "into the teeth of potentially deadly danger" determination that Abby has demonstrated, the United States wouldn't ever have achieved half the stature it did at the height of its greatness. And, if that greatness is to be snatched back from the jaws of socialist oblivion, then future leaders with big visions and the guts to lay it all on the line to make those visions real are exactly the kinds of leaders we're really going to desperately need. But we're going to have a hard time building leaders like that if we make a habit of shooting them dead just because life dealt them a wounding blow on their way up.

In some measure, all of the criticism directed at Abby and her parents is a shameful manifestation of conservatives' willingness to cut off our nose to spite our face, and I'll have no part in it.

157 posted on 06/14/2010 5:36:56 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Boy! LOOK at that! Them figs'll be ripe sooner'n ya think. [Matt. 24:32])
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To: HKMk23
In some measure, all of the criticism directed at Abby and her parents is a shameful manifestation of conservatives' willingness to cut off our nose to spite our face, and I'll have no part in it.

Actually, a lot of the criticism is well deserved ... if one values life.

158 posted on 06/14/2010 5:40:54 PM PDT by GreenStreak
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To: HKMk23

I am a conservative and I don’t think ripping people off with using a 16 yr old for a reality show or reniging or not caring about the debts you owe is conservative.
Its anti-social. Its like welfare people who think they got the lottery.

If you really want to do this, put the money up front and don’t EXPECT people to pick up the tab! Its like “I want to make a lot of money, will try a scheme and if it doesn’t work, I will let someone else pick up the tab!”
Disgusting.


162 posted on 06/14/2010 5:50:59 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: HKMk23; lacrew
I have heard, on this board, several calls for Abbey to try again. What? Would people really expect the Aussies to rescue her again?
Yeah, if she tried again and got into trouble down under, I expect the Aussies would head out and pick her up again. Probably some of those guys would clap her on the back, and give her props for her indomitable spirit.

Er yes, and no

"Tony Bulimore"

I'll take Australian joke punchlines for $200, Alex.

176 posted on 06/14/2010 9:15:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right.)
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To: HKMk23

The more I hear about this story, the worse it gets.

The guy who built the boat said it was not suitable for this attempt.

Some sailing association refused to sponsor the trip, because they believed the time of year to be too dangerous.

Her electrical charging system was not adequate to keep the autopilot going.

This is not ‘the spirit of America’ on display, here.

I would like to see her dad try the same attempt with the same equipment...based on what knowledgable people have told me, he probably wouldn’t make it either.

Again, there is a fine line between parental rights, and child endangerment. I usually side with the parental rights...and I’m certainly not advocating government intervention in this case...but lets not celebrate these people. We can still shun them without government intervention. I’m sorry, but I have yet to find, in personal discussions or printed word, any person knowledgeable in sailing who thought this venture had more than a 10% chance of success...and since failure means being stranded alone on the ocean, the whole concept boggles my mind.


180 posted on 06/15/2010 6:15:36 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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