[ExTxMarine]

“Under the laws of the the land, Obama is a citizen at birth, otherwise known as a natural born citizen.”

So, according to you, any “citizen” is a “natural born citizen?” If this is the case, then why did the founding fathers bother to even put “natural born citizen” and not just put “citizen” in the constitution?

Just because you don’t like the obvious meaning of the words and refuse to listen to the words and explanations of those who drafted the laws on how and what the laws meant, does not make it so! The drafter of the the 14th Amendment stated that this amendment would exclude those who are not citizens, illegals and diplomats!

The application of the amendment in the manner which you and so many other dimwitted fools want it to be is the problem, NOT the wording!

[Las Vegas Ron]

then why did the founding fathers bother to even put “natural born citizen” and not just put “citizen” in the constitution?

FRiend, doncha know, some here will tell you that osama him self could be the bamsters daddy.....and would still be Constitutionally legitimate.....dude, you really have to get with the program....

Thank you and bless you for your service, FRiend!!

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Citizen at birth = natural born citizen

Those who quote Vattel try to seperate the two phrases.

[Lurking Libertarian]

So, according to you, any “citizen” is a “natural born citizen?” If this is the case, then why did the founding fathers bother to even put “natural born citizen” and not just put “citizen” in the constitution?

No, a naturalized citizen is not a natural born citizen. But, as the U.S. Supreme Court has held, the Constitution "contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization." So if Obama was not naturalized, he is a natural born citizen.