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ABOLISH PUBLIC EDUCATION?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 06/23/10 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 06/23/2010 6:27:30 AM PDT by shortstop

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To: Snuke

Attic, I suppose, is the language of the tragedies and comedies? I’m sure we’ll get to that eventually, when Pat’s older.

I’ll have to go read up on Plato’s life, now!

Koine has interesting (and helpful) parallels with Spanish.


181 posted on 06/23/2010 5:37:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Anoreth, alma de Espana y diosa guerrera. Cuidados!)
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To: Tax-chick
Attic is the language of the Athenians, proper Classical Greek. Yes, tragedy and Old Comedy were written in Attic Greek, as Athens was pretty much the only city-state to have thriving drama that we know of (New Comedy is a bit different and more complicated). Later in early Rome, Attic Greek, even though it was centuries old and virtually dead, was revived by the Romans as a hallmark of an educated man. They spoke and wrote in perfect Attic Greek for no other reason than that.

Plato's life was particularly interesting, especially when you read his epitaph of his friend Dion and consider the parallels between Socrates' interesting turn-about on Eros, among other things.

182 posted on 06/23/2010 5:46:34 PM PDT by Snuke
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To: Clintonfatigued; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...
No, conservatives don’t want to abolish public education. We want to improve it and make it more accountable to local taxpayers, parents and values.

Huh? Apparently Bob Lonsberry admires centralized control by the state of schools to produce good little government subserviants, so long as it is 'accountable'? To whom, Bob? Government? That's the model that's broke.



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183 posted on 06/23/2010 5:53:07 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Snuke
Dear Snuke,

My son, the Classics Scholar (my nickname for him), says Xenophon was the Chuck Norris of the ancient world.

His “Middle Liddel” is one of his prized possessions.


sitetest

184 posted on 06/23/2010 5:55:49 PM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Middle Liddel! That’s the one I have.

I haven’t read Xenophon, yet, but I will eventually. My next project is a book or two of the New Testament to keep myself sharp while away from class.


185 posted on 06/23/2010 6:01:21 PM PDT by Snuke
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To: Snuke
Dear Snuke,

My son read the Anabasis this year in Greek. Latin was mostly devoted to Virgil this year (as he is the primary topic of the AP Latin - Virgil exam - my son anxiously awaits his grade on that).

I read your profile. Do you go to NYU or to another university in New York? I noted that you'll be in London this summer with NYU (that is, if your profile page is up to date, :-) ).


sitetest

186 posted on 06/23/2010 6:06:25 PM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: shortstop
ABOLISH PUBLIC EDUCATION?

Why not? We allow the government to finance edumacshun, and then fight the tide of people who've been taught in those very schools that more government is always the answer to any situation. What did we think was going to happen? He who has the gold makes the rules.

187 posted on 06/23/2010 6:16:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: sitetest

I am familiar with the Anabasis, though I haven’t yet read it. Last semester was our first to actually translate a real text (the first two semesters being devoted completely to grammar), so we translated the first book of one of the first original Greek novels, Callirhoe. I did have to read the Aeneid for a different class (in English), and it really shows the Romans’ inferiority complex!

I go to a university on Long Island, and I’ll be in London in the fall with NYU.

Good luck to your son! I am quite familiar with all of the AP tests, having taken a few in my time.


188 posted on 06/23/2010 6:18:54 PM PDT by Snuke
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To: shortstop
The main purpose for public education is to indoctrinate our young into unthinking obedience to the state.

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Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery.

Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister (1874)

189 posted on 06/23/2010 6:41:30 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: shortstop

You bet your sweet arse I want to abolish it.

Totally.

Completely.

Homeless and uneducated for everyone, as unrealistic and extreme as that would be, is preferable to the behemoth monster we have created in the government schools.


190 posted on 06/23/2010 7:23:42 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: bamahead
Right. There's not a damn thing about education in the U.S. Constitution and probably most states. Local political subdivisions can have all the public schools they want I reckon but they shouldn't go crying to central government for funding.

That's one reason public schools are spending $12K per head or more right now - all those levels of funding with extra spiffs for this & that, and unions taking all the available advantages because local control and oversight goes when the so-called "outside" money comes.

I have a relative who is chairman of a school board in Virginia and he cries about all the federal mandates. I told him grow a pair and tell the feds to buzz off - but be prepared to do without the dough. It should really be easy since most of what public schools teach is crap anyway.

191 posted on 06/23/2010 7:26:41 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: sitetest; Snuke

Xenophon’s Anabasis is a rip-roaring tale, even in his “I have to write this report” prose. It reminds me of Classical Spanish literature, in some ways - the story makes the writing, not the other way around.

We have it in English. Anoreth bought her own in Seattle, after I wouldn’t surrender mine. Pat (8) and James (6) have both spent some time with it. I’m not sure what James got out of it. He might have assumed it had dinosaurs in it, since the title is Greek!


192 posted on 06/23/2010 7:45:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Anoreth, alma de Espana y diosa guerrera. Cuidados!)
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To: Tax-chick

True. But the key is to drop all the “social” stuff that was injected into the curriculum by the Progressives and just go for the 3-R’s and classics. School could be shortened without all this socialization (brainwashing) stuff.... It is imperative to get rid of the texts that have been so perverted and injected with bias towards Marx, Darwin, Freud, Hegel, Rousseau, Skinner, Max Weber, etc. etc. etc.

Those guys rot the brain....they can be studied but they have to be denounced for the flaws in their logic.


193 posted on 06/23/2010 9:42:12 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

194 posted on 06/23/2010 9:55:22 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: ALPAPilot

Borrowed a bunch too, and lost that.


195 posted on 06/23/2010 10:39:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer calls opponents "Teabaggers". So we can call Kagan "Carpet Muncher." Right?)
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To: shortstop

Making stupid statements like that in the article is an example of poor education... and laziness.

I’ll bet that person heard “Abolish the Federal Department of Educaton” and without thinking for a second, translated that into “Abolish public education”.

Education is just one of several roles that are appropriate for local government, but not for federal government.

Another example is law enforcement. Catching illegals who rape, drive DUI, etc and then deporting them must logically be done by local law enforcement and not the Feds. It is absurd to think the FBI/ATF/ICE is going to watch for DUI drivers and then identify the ones who should be deported.

So abolishing Federal programs does not necessarily mean abolishing the same programs at other levels.


196 posted on 06/24/2010 4:33:44 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Snuke

Besides a Liddel-Scott, two other texts:

1. Smithe
2. Tota Verba Graecii - all forms of your Greek verbs, broken down and you are given the 1st ppart. Makes translating Thucydides much simpler.

I will stick with Latin.:)


197 posted on 06/24/2010 5:47:15 AM PDT by shag377 (Illegitimis nil carborundum sunt!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“Because the four Lonsberry children turned out conservative despite public education, he concludes that the educrats are not doing a good job of brainwashing. *groan*”

Looks like he could use a course in logic.


198 posted on 06/24/2010 11:24:39 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Vanders9

“If you can do all of that, are you wise enough to expose your children to ideas that you do not yourself hold?”

What do you mean by this exactly? It is the job of a wise parent to pass the parent’s values to the child.

Dueteronomy 11:18-21
Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates, so that your days and the days of your children may be many in the land that the LORD swore to give your forefathers, as many as the days that the heavens are above the earth.


199 posted on 06/24/2010 11:35:06 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: daisy mae for the usa
verse 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. verse 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

CHRIST DID NOT SEND CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD. Read that again if you must. Children are not tools, they are not your little gospel warriors to be sent out to advance the kingdom. They are your holy charge, to raise into godly adult-hood. Until they have reached that point, sending them into the swamp is failing your deepest responsibility. If you have children, your God-given responsibility is to them.
200 posted on 06/24/2010 10:37:33 PM PDT by newguy357
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