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Italy To Get New Amphibious Ships
Aviation Week and Space Technology ^ | 6/25/2010 | By Andy Nativi

Posted on 06/26/2010 1:53:52 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The Italian navy has received the go-ahead to procure two 20,000-ton amphibious assault ships (LHDs), with the possibility of a third ship, configured with extensive aviation facilities (LHA).

The preliminary LHD project is funded and will take 12 months for completion. It will be followed by a project definition phase requiring eight months and leading to a contract. Delivery of the first ship comes within 30 months after that. If everything goes to plan, the first LHD arrives in late 2014.

LHDs will replace two 8,000-ton San Giorgio-class LPDs, commissioned in 1987 and 1988. The LHA will eventually replace the carrier Garibaldi, which is being dedicated to amphibious and helicopter roles now that the Cavour carrier is in service.

The new LHDs will be 190 meters (623 ft.) long, feature a well dock that holds four LCACs (landing craft air cushions), and have a hangar with dedicated maintenance area where six medium-heavy helicopters can be recovered. The flight deck will provide six landing spots and be served by two elevators, one at the stern, the other forward of the island. It will thus be possible to launch air-assault operations, lifting a reinforced rifle company with each wave and rapidly moving personnel and equipment to the deck. Helicopter capacity will be 12-15, depending on mix.

Capabilities also include four smaller LCVP (landing craft, vehicle, personnel) vessels and two motorboats, all in dedicated spaces with cranes under the port flight deck.

The LHD can accommodate 760 troops, including an aviation detachment and staff personnel, in addition to a ship’s crew of only 200, a result of shipboard automation. The vessel will normally carry a reinforced marine battalion and aviation personnel,

(Excerpt) Read more at aviationweek.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amphibiousships; italiannavy; italy; lcac; lcacs; lcvp; lha; lhd; navair

1 posted on 06/26/2010 1:53:54 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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2 posted on 06/26/2010 1:56:04 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Better look out, Ethiopia.


3 posted on 06/26/2010 1:57:12 AM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Rocky

LOL


4 posted on 06/26/2010 1:57:52 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: Rocky

LOL


5 posted on 06/26/2010 1:57:52 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ( "Fortes fortuna adiuvat"-Fortune Favors the Strong)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Sealift is duly noted.


6 posted on 06/26/2010 2:01:13 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32 Apres moi le deluge freewv)
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To: Rocky
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7 posted on 06/26/2010 3:02:01 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: sonofstrangelove

They look cool and spec out nice. Does the US have any in inventory ?


8 posted on 06/26/2010 3:12:28 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: magslinger

Ping.


9 posted on 06/26/2010 3:44:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: onona
They look cool and spec out nice. Does the US have any in inventory ?

Quite a few. There are a couple Tarawa-class LHAs left, the 8-ship Wasp-class LHDs and the coming America-class LHAs (which are really LPHs, as they will lack a well-deck).
10 posted on 06/26/2010 4:07:31 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Should add, ours are roughly 2x as big.


11 posted on 06/26/2010 4:08:03 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: onona
Yes, the U.S. Navy operates about a dozen sips that are roughly in this class. They are actually bigger, heavier, faster, have longer range, carry more aircraft, embark more troops, etc.; but they are roughly similar.

Here is a key paragraph from the article:

To minimize costs, the LHDs will be built to commercial standards, modified somewhat to improve survivability, but without full military specifications. Tradeoffs between cost and survivability are being assessed. According to one estimate, the ship can be built for €300 million ($369 million), excluding combat systems.

Building them to commercial standards means that their structural design only incorporates some but not all of the hull strengthening, compartmentation, armoring, and other damage control measures routinely built into warships. These ships are really intended for a very specific set of missions.

Two other comments:

1. The price tag of €300 million ($369 million), even excluding combat systems, seems absurdly low. The equivalent US ship (noting, as I did above, how loose that equivalency really is) goes today for about $3 to 4.5 billion fully equipped. Halve that to account for the combat systems and electronics suites, and you still have a build cost of between $1.5 to 2.25 billion. Hard to believe a completed hull of near;y that size can be built for only about 1/5 the US cost (even allowing for the additional hull strenghtening).

2. The article says the design can carry 4 LCACs. In US service, the only amphibious ship claas capable of carrying 4 LCACs is the USS Whidby Island, LSD-41 class. To do that, the well deck is 440 feet long (the ship is only 580 feet long at the waterline). Given that the Italian LHD is supposed to be 623 feet long, it is hard to see how that is being done and still accommodate the necessary engineering, cargo, ammunition, and other lower hull spaces typically found on LHDs. Maybe the Italian LCACs are smaller (US LCACs are 47 feet wide and 87 feet long on cushion) or perhaps two of the four are being flown into the lower vehicle deck or otherwise stored.

12 posted on 06/26/2010 4:19:04 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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13 posted on 06/26/2010 4:54:18 AM PDT by magslinger (If recycling makes cents as well as sense, I am all for it.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

This is gonna cause the Swiss to invest heavily in coastal artillery.


14 posted on 06/26/2010 5:04:57 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
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To: Captain Rhino

If they are going to build them to commercial standards, why don’t they take the hassle and guesswork out of it and build them with a ten foot hole below the waterline. That is outrageous! Any nation owes their sailors and the other servicemen who sail with them ships with the best chance of surviving combat consistent with the mission. Building combat vessels to commercial standards clearly states that they do not value the lives of the men who protect their nation. /rant


15 posted on 06/26/2010 5:13:38 AM PDT by magslinger (If recycling makes cents as well as sense, I am all for it.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
"This is gonna cause the Swiss to invest heavily in coastal artillery."

And I'm waiting for Monaco to invest in a couple of armored tank battalions.

Leni

16 posted on 06/26/2010 5:15:44 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

I was in Monaco last week. All they need to do is invest in some carefully sited catapults and rain rocks down on the beach below. They don’t call that area the Maritime Alps for nothing. Man that is some tough, steep, rocky terrain!


17 posted on 06/26/2010 6:41:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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Hah, and just think.....Monaco's operetta prince Albert, soon -to-be-wed at the ripe young age of 52, would be Commander-in-Chief of the country's Royal Tank Troop, the Royal Catapult Corps and the Royal Rock-Raining Regiment!

If Monaco joins forces with the newly-enhanced and powerful Italian Sea Armada, I'm sure Lichtenstein will be shaking in its boots.

Leni

18 posted on 06/26/2010 7:18:55 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: tanknetter
Quite a few. There are a couple Tarawa-class LHAs left, the 8-ship Wasp-class LHDs and the coming America-class LHAs (which are really LPHs, as they will lack a well-deck).

If it comes to that, the designations of the Tarawas and the Wasps should be reversed, as the well deck (the "dock" of LPD) is a third smaller in the Wasps

19 posted on 06/26/2010 7:41:20 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: magslinger
The exact nature of future amphibious ships (and amphibious operations generally) are undergoing a lot of review at present. While no one doubts the sheer utility of being able to land forces from the sea and to conduct sea-based missions (combat and otherwise), the argument that future amphibious operations are going to look like D Day in Europe (or on Iwo Jima) doesn't track with either modern naval warfare practices or the modern weapon systems expected to oppose such landings.

Modern bombs, torpedoes, and anti-ship cruise missiles are all long ranged, computer and GPS-guided, and carry sizable explosive warheads. Many use under keel attacks (explosive charge going off underneath the ship as opposed to on its side) aimed at breaking the ship's back. If you examine the videos of various ship sinkings (expended as targets) on You Tube, the best even a warship can expect to do against such an attack is to not be sunk outright. In most cases, the damage is so severe that even if the ship survives, it will require a major rebuild.

Given such a reality, the current naval strategies for dealing with them is to:

1) not accept missions where such weapons might be used,

2) eliminate the weapons before becoming vulnerable to attack, or

3) to jam/decoy the weapon away from the vessel.

Considered in this light, the only advantage that building to warship standards is the ability, in certain limited cases, to survive an attack. The United States Navy and Marine Corps are expected to be able to operate in the full spectrum of naval warfare. Because of this mission requirement, US Navy ships must be built to the highest standard, that of warships. By contrast, if you decide to operate only in benign maritime environments, you can build a lighter ship but still accomplish a considerable range of missions. This latter choice, to limit employment scenarios, is the choice that a number of shipbuilding nations are making at present.

20 posted on 06/26/2010 8:14:13 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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