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Posted on 06/28/2010 7:49:04 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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Anyways, big on theory, short on application in the real world.
Private armies are the thing of kings (CEOs) and that can open a Pandora’s box of issues. There was a reason the founders provided for a government run military.
Of course you Paulinati and your beloved Ron Paul are all smarter than the founders as well as the rest of us “fake conservatives”. In fact despite making admiring references to the founding fathers Ron Paul and his followers have much better tdeas than they on running the USA.
Crackpot is not going to fix the country, a sound approach based on the ideas of the founding fathers tempered with a Conservative approach to the necessities of 21st century realities will.
That will, whether we like it or not, require some way of paying for the things only the government can do. The trick is to stick to those things that are absolutely essential, the things the states cannot do or are required to coordinate between the states such as military, transport and such.
BTW I take it you are no fan of Ronald Reagan.
“’I have no problem with an income tax in general.’
Such an odd statement for a conservative forum....”
“Conservative forum” does not mean “check-your-brain-at-the-door forum.”
The federal government clearly spends lots and lots of money that it should not spend. However, the federal government provides some essential services, as intended by the framers of the Constitution and as desired by a huge majority of Americans. Maintaining the Armed Services and fighting wars are two of those services. In some cases, the federal government spends less than it should. Border security comes to mind.
Taxes must be levied to raise the money the federal government needs to spend on essential services. An income tax seems to be the best way to do that. As I said previously, I do not like the current tax code; but I cannot think of a more appropriate source of revenue than a tax tied in some way to income.
You probably support the imperialist war on terror and are a fan of Ronald Reagan too.
“Real conservatives” know the only way to assure the future of our Republic is to take it all apart even past what the founders envisioned or let it be destroyed...
Sheesh, get with the program...
That was the most convoluted answer, not to my posts, but to your own previous posts earlier in this thread. You sound like an IRS shill, for heaven's sake. Especially by throwing the epithet "liberal" at me. Only trolls seem to have a need to do that, as if by using the worst insult they can think of, they hope to derail logical discussion.
As I said earlier, a basic tenet of law is that there can be no contradiction. If this is something that is beyond your comprehension (or your pay grade) then any further explanation I can offer would be moot.
If you don't file a 1040 the IRS will come after you with levies and seizures, confiscation and jail time. The courts back them up, so you have no recourse.
Go ahead, try not filing or paying and see where it gets you.
It doesn't matter that they have no laws to back them up if the courts do. Which is what I said earlier - and what Oceander said earlier also - if he's even capable of understanding his own posts.
What is it with this high-school level you've only been around for a month - so, so so there idiocy?
I either have something worth saying or I don't. I stand by our founding fathers' original intent as expressed by them in our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I am anti-communist, anti-socialist, and anti-government dick-wads who think that because they're on the public dime and have a mandate to destroy America they're somehow above the rest of us.
I'll tell you what P-Marlowe, when you get out of high-school and develop some experience in conversing with adults, then we'll talk. Until then, you can lock yourself in the bathroom for a while like other teenage boys.
See post 107
See post 107
The 16th was ratified. Get over it. Either that or stand by your principles and refuse to pay it.
I dare you.
I guess I'll just have to wait until you graduate :)
Ha ha! Yeah, that is becoming very apparent :)
Things like the 16th Amendment, a law of the books for nearly 100 years, wasn't ratified for example.
Those folks have a short shelf life, especially when they get saucy with the sane and conservative members of FR.
Anyways, do you really think if that was a viable argument you, Ron Paul and the other conspiracy types are the first ones to realize it since 1913 and will now single handeled make it null and void.
Crackpot will not save this land, conservatism, based in reality and working with in the realm of the possible, will.
Unlike you, I graduated kindergarten.
Hey noob what is YOUR level of education?
I believe you have been making silly arguments with lawyers and other educated people who have been showing you your ignorance. Are you capable of learning?
Sheesh, those were the days, being lectured about the Constitution and told how sorry a conservative I was by the surrender monkeys..
As I said earlier, someone either has legitiamte points to make or they don't. And their join date is irrelevant to that purpose.
Fortunately for me, Chris Christie is doing a bang up job here in NJ... better than a couple thousand freestaters can manage.
Like the Paultard crowd.
It is often hard to tell the difference since they both act in similar fashion, hence the “lumping” which has come from years of observation and experience for most of us.
As for the join in date, nothing keeps one from expressing anything due to joining time, but there is a level of decorum that says the newbie, especially one a little bit on the crackpot side, has to earn his stripes before he goes around spoutin’ off at the straights here...
We have found that leads to a short FR life span. There are reason that there are long time members who are a little on the extreme nutsy side and are allowed to arrogantly rant and hurl insults at the normal folk. They earned the right and folks got used to them and as such could blow off the crazy stuff an have fun with it.
So keep your head down for a bit, you could be worth a lot of laughs in the next cycle.
Unfortunately for you, you really haven't made very many "legitiamte" points.
BTW when you chastise people for being less educated than you, you'd better lern how to spel.
And their join date is irrelevant to that purpose.
Actually in many cases is does. People like you tend to get banned within a few months of their sign up date. Keep posting.
That is even more true with MoRon Paul supporters who are also prone to repeating Planned Parenthood talking points.
Looking for back-up from a fellow Paul supporter?
So, you believe it’s not Constitutional, but aren’t willing to push the case on your beliefs.
Marlowe has his doctorate.
You're new. That's fine. You're conservative. That's double fine.
Newcomers are always wise to take things slow and learn the lay of the land.
Welcome to FR. Are you pro-life? pro-gun? pro-God?
I like to check and see how many new Paultards are infesting FR.
And what is it with Paultards and New Hamsphire? That place must be crawling with the Paulinati.
They must have a lot of Star Trek conventions or Code Pink rallies there or something.
I think they have a tinfoil plant there. They are trying to drum up as much business as possible.
“...when you get out of high-school”
P-Marlowe, you and I must be in the same high-school class. I thought I’d left that behind 20 years ago but I got the same treatment a day or so ago. Can we be considered a clique now? :0)
Can't I have any fun?
Actually, in certain cases, it is relevant.
When someone who has recently joined FR comes out of the gate talking down to longtime, established FReepers simply because they do not like Ron Paul (and I'm one of those who does not like Ron Paul, BTW), it sends a message we've all seen too many times before. The Ron Paul crowd has a reputation for being nasty, insulting and condescending. Your calling people "trolls" and slinging insults does not do much to dispel that reputation; it only reinforces it.
If you want to be a kindred warrior, I suggest you address people here a little more respectfully.
Like it or not Dr. Paul is the only person in Washington who wants to get rid of bureaucracy and go back to the Constitution the way the Founders intended. Tell me then who else is better?
Us “Paultards” want to move to New Hampshire b/c unlike the rest of the country New Hampshire is the only place that’s not moving towards socialism and still has no income tax and no gun laws.
The Founders didn’t want an income tax or a national bank.
Look I don’t agree with cut and run BUT I’m sick of politicians taxing me to death and Dr. Paul is the ONLY person in Washington against taxation.
They also didn’t want slavery to end or women to vote. Unfortunately they put in place a process where you can change the Constitution, and we have those pesky Amendments now, right?
I mean, we not only recognized the right to citizenship to anyone born on these shores, not only recognized the right of women to vote, not only ended slavery by recognizing every man’s inherent freedom, not only recognized the right of Government to tax income, but also recognized our rights to keep our mouths shut when dealing with the Government, to speak up when we want, not house soldiers, and to carry guns!
Yeah, without all those terrible changes to the Constitution we’d be a lot better off...
What have others in Washington done besides raise taxes, spend spend spend, put judges on the Courts who WON’T overturn Roe v. Wade and HAVENT sealed up the borders.
Who pays for social security?
Medicare? Prescription drugs?
DO you plan on abolishing both?
Federal prisons are NOT paid by local governments.
How do you plan on stopping harmful imports such as the
Chinese dry walls which are making houses unlivable?
You want police, customs, immigration, roads etc handles by private enterprise? Wonderful! Now which private enterprise will do it for free? If not free then where will the money come from to pay them for services?
You really want a lifestyle of pre-1912?
No cars, no cell phones, no MRI’s, no painless dentistry, no micro-surgery, no airplanes, no FDIC, no miracle drugs, no organ transplants, ....you get the idea.
Life is far more complex today compared to pre-1912.
I am not anxious to go back to that era.
Look, none of the roads, schools, police today are “free”. WE are forced to pay for all of that through gov. taxation. With businesses taking over services we’ll be free to choose what schools we want and what services we want without paying a dime to the corrupt bureaucrats in Washington. I’m not saying we need to get rid of all government I’m just saying the gov. needs to go back to it’s proper role which is defending our private property NOT interfering with our lives and taking our money.
Under the original Constitution, whoever got the second most votes for President became the Vice President. The 12th Amendment changed this. Which one is in effect?
Paul will never get the backing of any major party in any presidential election because of his views. It would cost too much and take away the powers of those who try to rule us.
I like him, but he will never be able to take a presidential race with his views.
Exactly. Look at the way the gov. is set up these days. Greedy politicians working for themselves so they can get more power and money. They bail out the big guys instead of the little guys b/c they know they can get more tax money out of the big companies and then they can just put the little guy on welfare so he'll be more dependent on them. This is what America has turned into. Dr. Paul wants to bring it back to as it was originally intended.
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