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To: Smokin' Joe
I still think it's a stretch to attribue Dengue outbreaks to illegal aliens, and while I was screened and NOT allowed on any commercial airliners until a doc confirmed for the airline that what I had was Dengue, and therefore NOT CONTAGIOUS, once they knew it's what I had, they were fine with me flying back to California.

Outlawing of DDT is what has brought an increase in Dengue, IN ANY CASE, regardless of how the mosquitos get it. But this thread is a prime example of the FReeper version of "It's Bush's Fault." No matter what it is, it's Illegal Aliens' Fault.

60 posted on 06/29/2010 8:27:54 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny
I still think it's a stretch to attribue Dengue outbreaks to illegal aliens, and while I was screened and NOT allowed on any commercial airliners until a doc confirmed for the airline that what I had was Dengue, and therefore NOT CONTAGIOUS, once they knew it's what I had, they were fine with me flying back to California.

You keep saying NOT CONTAGIOUS as if that meant something – it doesn't. Just because a disease is not person-to-person contagious doesn't mean that it can't be spread when a vector (the mosquito) is part of the equation.

Outlawing of DDT is what has brought an increase in Dengue, IN ANY CASE, regardless of how the mosquitos get it. But this thread is a prime example of the FReeper version of "It's Bush's Fault." No matter what it is, it's Illegal Aliens' Fault.

The DDT ban certainly was a huge factor in the increase of mosquitoes; nobody's claiming that it wasn't.

You can whitewash the illegal alien connection all you want with your "IN ANY CASE, regardless of how the mosquitoes get it" language; doing that is still nothing but a whitewash of another large factor (beyond the DDT ban) in the spread of the disease, one which you choose to ignore.

62 posted on 06/29/2010 8:44:55 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Finny
Mosquitoes are not contagion, but infection by injection.

While you may well not have been contagious in casual contact, I'd bet dimes to doughnuts that sharing an IV needle with you would infect someone--it is a serological transfer thing.

If there are no dengue infected mosquitoes in an area, and suddenly the mosquitoes are carriers, there has to be a reason they have become carriers. Did mosquitoes with a short lifespan fly hundreds of miles or did the carriers they picked the disease up from travel and get bitten by the local mosquitoes?

Mosquitoes already transmit encephalitis, West Nile, malaria, and a host of other diseases, and the populations of mosquitoes do not become magically infected, but pick up the pathogens from other sources.

If the illegal alien population in an area where mosquitoes begin transmitting the disease is infected, I'd have to suspect they are the source vector for the mosquitoes, who pass the infection on. At least until I find out otherwise.

Which is why I was looking for facts about how the mosquitoes become carriers of the disease.

I'll keep digging, thanks.

65 posted on 06/29/2010 9:08:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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