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To: ransomnote
...prior to the breakup of the USSR -so much so that a person had to have a permit to live in Moscow and those without permits knew not to try to stay without one.

This is still true. A Russian's internal National Passport says where they live. They are not allowed to reside in any other city within Russia. They cannot even rent a hotel room in another city. Many workers stay just outside the city limits (camping out at night) and enter the city during the day for work (day laborers, you might say - just no Home Depots).

10 posted on 06/30/2010 1:54:58 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TexasRedeye
They are not allowed to reside in any other city within Russia. They cannot even rent a hotel room in another city. Many workers stay just outside the city limits (camping out at night) and enter the city during the day for work (day laborers, you might say - just no Home Depots).

That's rubbish. A Russian may reside wherever he wants excluding certain areas of military importance. He's required to register his residence with the police. He needs a document to prove owning/hiring an accomodation. And no tent camps outside Russian cities!

12 posted on 06/30/2010 4:10:13 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: TexasRedeye

>...prior to the breakup of the USSR -so much so that a person had to have a permit to live in Moscow and those without permits knew not to try to stay without one.
This is still true. A Russian’s internal National Passport says where they live. They are not allowed to reside in any other city within Russia. They cannot even rent a hotel room in another city. Many workers stay just outside the city limits (camping out at night) and enter the city during the day for work (day laborers, you might say - just no Home Depots).>
Wrong. You are not allowed to be in any other city if you have no place to stay there having arrived more than 3 days ago. It is a minor offence there. If you have property, relatives or friends who are giving you a place to stay you have to inform local police and they gives you some sort of visa. If you are renting a room in a hotel you are getting that visa by default.
IMO that is quite fair in terms of immigration and crime control.
Police enforces the law by random stop of unusual people (mostly asians or wearing muslim clothes)checking their passports, visas and tickets to know if they are overstay their 3 days or not.
If you are a well dressed Russian or a white American they will never engage you.

Same is about so called day laborers who are mostly illegal Tajik or Vietnamese nationals. They are stay outside the cities for a good reason not to be prosecuted or deported.


17 posted on 06/30/2010 6:15:38 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: TexasRedeye

>...prior to the breakup of the USSR -so much so that a person had to have a permit to live in Moscow and those without permits knew not to try to stay without one.
This is still true. A Russian’s internal National Passport says where they live. They are not allowed to reside in any other city within Russia. They cannot even rent a hotel room in another city. Many workers stay just outside the city limits (camping out at night) and enter the city during the day for work (day laborers, you might say - just no Home Depots).>
Wrong. You are not allowed to be in any other city if you have no place to stay there having arrived more than 3 days ago. It is a minor offence there. If you have property, relatives or friends who are giving you a place to stay you have to inform local police and they gives you some sort of visa. If you are renting a room in a hotel you are getting that visa by default.
IMO that is quite fair in terms of immigration and crime control.
Police enforces the law by random stop of unusual people (mostly asians or wearing muslim clothes)checking their passports, visas and tickets to know if they are overstay their 3 days or not.
If you are a well dressed Russian or a white American they will never engage you.

Same is about so called day laborers who are mostly illegal Tajik or Vietnamese nationals. They are stay outside the cities for a good reason not to be prosecuted or deported.


18 posted on 06/30/2010 6:15:56 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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