Glenn Beck starts online 'university'

politico ^ | 7/6/10 | Andy Barr

[reaganaut]

You are mindreading. I don’t hate MORMONS, I love them. If I hated them I wouldn’t tell them the truth, I would let them waltz into hell on the heels of Joseph Smith. I have many many friends who are LDS. Most of us have family members who are LDS, we don’t hate them at all.

I do, however, hate the Mormon Church. The Organization, the lies they tell, the way the leaders whitewash history and change books and doctrines. The Mormon church is a lie from the pit of hell, but their members are sadly deceived and should be warned. As a Christian, I am to warn those who follow false Christs and I am to ‘cut asunder’ those who claim to be Christians yet preach a different gospel and Mormonism is DEFINITELY a ‘different Gospel’ from the Bible.

For you to claim I hate Mormons shows you have absolutely no clue about me, and you claiming I hate them in no way makes it so. Again, if I hated them, I would leave them be in their false gospel.

[Elsie]

 

Again, if I hated them, I would leave them be in their false gospel.

Does MORMONism teach THIS any more?

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 ‘Mother, I do not wish to prevent your going to meeting,

or any of the rest of the family’s; or your joining any church you please;

 but, do not ask me to join them.

 

 I can take my Bible, and go into the woods,

and learn more in two hours,

than you can learn at meeting in two years,

 if you should go all the time.’

 

(Lucy Smith, Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet and His Progenitors for Many Generations.

Liverpool, England, 1853, pg. 90. Reprint of the Original 1853 edition.)

[Elsie]

INTRODUCTION

 

The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.

 

The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation. Their words, written on gold plates, were quoted and abridged by a prophet-historian named Mormon. The record gives an account of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 B.C., and afterward separated into two nations, known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other came much earlier when the Lord confounded the tongues at the Tower of Babel. This group is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.

 

The crowning event recorded in the Book of Mormon is the personal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ among the Nephites soon after his resurrection. It puts forth the doctrines of the gospel, outlines the plan of salvation, and tells men what they must do to gain peace in this life and eternal salvation in the life to come.

 

After Mormon completed his writings, he delivered the account to his son Moroni, who added a few words of his own and hid up the plates in the hill Cumorah. On September 21, 1823, the same Moroni, then a glorified, resurrected being, appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and instructed him relative to the ancient record and its destined translation into the English language.

 

In due course the plates were delivered to Joseph Smith, who translated them by the gift and power of God. The record is now published in many languages as a new and additional witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that all who will come unto him and obey the laws and ordinances of his gospel may be saved.

 

Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

 

In addition to Joseph Smith, the Lord provided for eleven others to see the gold plates for themselves and to be special witnesses of the truth and divinity of the Book of Mormon. Their written testimonies are included herewith as “The Testimony of Three Witnesses” and “The Testimony of Eight Witnesses.”

 

We invite all men everywhere to read the Book of Mormon, to ponder in their hearts the message it contains, and then to ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ if the book is true. Those who pursue this course and ask in faith will gain a testimony of its truth and divinity by the power of the Holy Ghost. (See Moroni 10: 3-5.)

 

Those who gain this divine witness from the Holy Spirit will also come to know by the same power that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, that Joseph Smith is his revelator and prophet in these last days, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s kingdom once again established on the earth, preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah.

 

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[Godzilla]

Has Obama ever stated publicly that he hates capitalism? Do you think he does. You dont have to specifically say you hate Mormons, we can tell by the themes in your group’s threads.

You know the 'hate' card is as popular among liberals as the 'victim' and 'race' cards, and as equally abused by those who play it.

0bama has actively worked to deny free choice and capitolism, in an effort to elimiate any opportunity at all. This you compare to Reaganaut's, et al's challenge to mormons to examine their doctrines and of their own free will change. Or further, to challenge the mormon orwellian name games of changing word meanings.

I have yet to hear you say that mormons hate Christians Sam, they do the same thing through their missionaries, internet work and PR campaigns as Reaganaut? Or perhaps that doesn't matter to you, since it is the liberal thing to hate Christians and give all others a pass.

So, you want to play the liberal word games sam? Fine, then in doing so you are being the poster boy of what you claim to be against. And through your opposition to free exchange of ideas and challenging those of others you are becoming more the 0bama in these posts Sammy. think about it.

[svcw]

free exchange of ideas, lds......sorry having trouble with the possible concept.

[Godzilla]

:)

[Raider Sam]

That is a total cop out. If your little group really loved Mormons, yall wouldnt have threads about how Twilight is secretly pushing Mormonism. You also would hijack a thread about Glenn Beck opening an online school (where it doesnt even name any teachers) and make it about Mormons.

You are the mind reader, bud. You assume to know who is going to teach and what they will teach. Have you seen any reports no one else has on this? Do you believe Obama hates capitalism? He has never actually said it, but to not believe so takes a great deal of faith. Maybe I am reading your mind, but its not that hard to read he mind of a single issue person. Dont have to sift through much.

There is nothing wrong with preaching gospel to convert non-believers. But turning a thread about Glen Beck’s “university” into one about how dumb Mormon beliefs are is not that.

[Elsie]

That is a total cop out. If your little group really loved Mormons, yall wouldnt have threads about how Twilight is secretly pushing Mormonism.

Oh?

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You also would hijack a thread about Glenn Beck opening an online school (where it doesnt even name any teachers) and make it about Mormons.

Oh?

Well; THAT's sure interesting to find out!

[Raider Sam]

No, I compare the language of one sociopath to the language of another. I dont know how Mormons feel about Christians, never been a Mormon. And I dont see Mormon posters putting up threads to ruin the name of Christianity. The only Mormon threads I see here are a bunch of cowards posting anti-Mormon threads and having self-congratulation sessions.

But keep deflecting and purposefully mis-interpreting my comments. ITs very Obama of you.

[Elsie]

You also would (NOT) hijack a thread about Glenn Beck opening an online school (where it doesnt even name any teachers) and make it about Mormons.

Oh?

Last time I looked; GB was a MORMON!!

(We SURE would not want him of losing a TGemple Recommend before he even GOT one; would we??)

temple recommend questions

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

[Elsie]

There is nothing wrong with preaching gospel to convert non-believers.

You tell 'em; Sam!

There ain't nuttin' wrong with preaching the RESTORED gospel to so-called CHRISTIANs to make them realize that ONLY the LDS Organization; based in Salt Lake City; is the ONLYchurch that is correct on the Earth today; either!

--MormonDude(I don't like Coke® all that much anyway...)

[Raider Sam]

Glad you think so.

[Elsie]

I dont know how Mormons feel about Christians, never been a Mormon.

 

Boy; I say BOY!!!

 

You need to READ this stuff then!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

 

And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!

 

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).

 

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[Raider Sam]

Yeah, hes Mormon. And you cant get past that. You dont know what he will teach, but your irrational hatred of the man’s beliefs cant let you wait to see what happens before you make a judgement. Do you usually decide, then try to find facts to prove it?

[Raider Sam]

Dont need to read anything. Dont really care what Mormons believe.

Just waiting to see how much it hurts when you fall of your horse.

[Godzilla]

No, I compare the language of one sociopath to the language of another.

Oh, words you say - lots of words - ignore the actions and only live with words you say. LOL welcome to the first amendment incase you weren't familiar with it.

And I dont see Mormon posters putting up threads to ruin the name of Christianity.

Not too observant are you of what you don't want to see -

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2548637/posts

Not too surprising.

The only Mormon threads I see here are a bunch of cowards posting anti-Mormon threads and having self-congratulation sessions.

Ohhh, they are shaking their bunny slippers even as you post. Blind to what you don't want to see.

But keep deflecting and purposefully mis-interpreting my comments. ITs very Obama of you.

Comments like this show that you are a person of rare intelligence; it's rare when you show any.

[CommerceComet]

As a side note I have no problem at all with my attitude.

The irony here is rich. You get called out by someone in a bellicose, chip-on-the-shoulder post for YOUR attitude. Your accuser continues in the next dozen or so posts to display this lousy attitude with name-calling and unsupported accusations until she goes off in a huff.

There is no reason why you should have a problem with your attitude.

[svcw]

Don't need to read anything. Apparently.

Dont really care what Mormons believe. Then why do you keep responding?

Just waiting to see how much it hurts when you fall of your horse. What does that even mean?

[svcw]

,-)

[CommerceComet]

One of the reasons I stopped watching him. It got boring hearing the same stuff again and again.

That would be one of my criticisms of his radio show as well. I also hate it when Beck and his two cohorts talk at the same time competing to see who can be the most clever and/or profound. Generally, none of the three are either that clever or profound.