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To: Condor51

The inability of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances is the number one reason we have the corruption we have, and why it doesn’t matter what laws are passed (thus making even elections moot because who we elect only impacts what laws are made, and if they’re not enforced they may as well not exist).

How do we get out of this mess? How do we re-establish that American citizens DO suffer harm and deserve to be able to petition the government for a redress of grievances even if everybody else is ALSO being harmed by a government disobeying the law and failing to do what it was created to do?

How can the official legal doctrine be that as long as the government is screwing EVERYBODY, nobody can do anything about it legally because they haven’t suffered “particularized harm”?

As long as Hitler was exterminating ALL “undesireables”, it seems like the American system would allow those “undesireables” no legal recourse to even QUESTION what was being done - because the very massive scale of the crime that made it so heinous would actually mean that nobody was singled out for the “particularized harm” necessary for them to have legal “standing”. How can this be?

Do we need a Constitutional amendment? How do we overturn the years of precedent which handcuff the American people?


11 posted on 07/07/2010 4:48:07 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion
Ultimately its why we have the States as a check on Federal power. The escrowing of a states Federal tax payments with application of escrowed funds against Federally incurred liabilities is the next logical step. Most logically this will occur in California or New York. Both states are beyond broke...and need either a Federal bailout...or to hold back their citizens tax payments to the Feds to cover Federally incurred liability. The Feds really cannot bail out the states...after having bailed out the banks.
12 posted on 07/07/2010 4:52:48 AM PDT by mo
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To: butterdezillion
**** How do we overturn the years of precedent which handcuff the American people? ****

Our dilema is that we've been down this road to perdition for over 100 years.

Starting with the 'progressive' Teddy Roosevelt and his legal war against the 'Robber Barons' (if it wasn't for those Robber Barons' the USA wouldn't BE the USA.)

Then we had the 'progressive' Woodrow Wilson and his 'vision' of a One World Government (Wilson was really a hateful bigoted SOB). Thanks to 'progressives' like him we LOST our 9th and 10th Amendment rights with the 17th Amendment (adopted on April 8, 1913) and direct election of Senators. They no longer owed their allegiance to their state and protecting its Rights.

Which gets is the FDR. Another 'progressive' and the worst of the bunch. What he pulled before and during WWII should have put him in prison. While Hitler sent people to 'Death Camps', FDR just sent them to 'camps' (not only Japs were rounded up). And anyone who disagreed with FDR would 'disappear' -- like a State Dept Message Decoder employee in London who was going to give a message FDR sent to Churchill to the Republicans in Congress. The guy was 'snatched' when he stepped foot of the boat in New York and 'disappeared' (Ann Coulter - Treason).

Then came the 'progressives' on the Fed Courts and SCOTUS. They let Congress run amok with the Commerce Clause in ways that would make the Founders go ballistic. For seventy years at least Congress has played their game with the 'CC', and STILL DO, like ObamaDeathCare. Not until 'The Rehnquist Court' did SCOTUS start overturning blatantly unconstitutional Commerce Clause Laws. I won't even go into asinine rulings like Roe or Lawrence v Texas.

An aside: As Alexander Hamilton said regarding the Constitution: 'We didn't spend enough time on the Courts'.
(Boy did he ever have that right.)
So 'we've suffered a long train of abuses' [(gee, that sounds familiar ;-)], and an Amendment won't solve any of it. The Constitution and Bill of Rights need to be restored and the way things are going ... well... it won't be easy, or pretty.
21 posted on 07/07/2010 6:26:39 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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