Posted on 07/12/2010 1:26:25 PM PDT by conimbricenses
Or simply OPEN CARRY. No secret to anyone what you are doing.
>>Cops are men and women just like you and me...<<
Physically, yes. However, as you point out at the end of the sentence, “..but they’ve got weird jobs.”
Our occupation affects how we see the world and other people, and how we see our role in the world. It is one of the downsides of being a cop.
Based on the witness reports, it's very possible that different cops gave him different directions and all were apparently ready to shoot if he ignored them.
Face it. You didn’t know it was a typo till LV Ron pointed it out to you.
Feel free to apologize for your remarks to me from post # 181.
The truth is: a city cop, a street cop, a road cop, puts his life on the line and is at risk of being shot, nice guy or schmuck.
That's not exactly as true as it may seem. Job fatality stats indicate that it is significantly more dangerous to be a logger, farmer, rancher, pilot, fisherman, or even a garbageman. As far as getting shot goes, it's much more likely to happen to a convenience store clerk than a cop. In a typical year it is also generally the case that self-inflicted and traffic fatality cop deaths exceed those who die in the line of fire.
I don't note this to diminish the sacrifice of those who die at the hands of a bad guy, but the portrayal of cops as if they are inherently some sort of self-sacrificing altruistic class of heroes who live with the sword of Damocles constantly upon their heads is pure mythology. It's also a rather insidious mythology as it breeds a mentality that places officer safety above all else - even to the point that they are willing to (and frequently do) kill another human being to avoid even the most obscure, minor, and far-fetched perceived "threats" to their own person.
We may never know what happened...but one lesson is that if a person is going to carry concealed, the weapon should be completely concealed.
When I took my Nevada permit course, the instructors emphasized several times that a person is looking for trouble if he goes to WalMart and reaches for something on the top shelf and someone sees a weapon. Instructors, (ex cops, detective, SWAT guys) all said, “don’t be surprised if there are a bunch of cops with drawn weapons waiting for you when you walk out the store if someone sees your ‘concealed’ weapon”.
Very sad.
In both CCW classes I took, Arizona, Nevada, and a very good advanced combat handgun course, the instructors emphasized what to do if confronted by LEO when you are carrying. We may never know what really happened, but if a cop tells you to get on the ground, that’s what the heck you better do...especially if packing.
Very sad that such a fine young man should have to die this way.
Sound advice, although Nevada is also an open carry state. We could discuss the minor mistakes of the way this guy concealed forever, but the real issue remains that the cops and/or store clerk screwed up big time.
bttt
Agreed...
Whenever I’m packing concealed in the general population I can promise that NO ONE can tell that I am armed. I always worry that some nut job is going to start screaming, “he’s got a gun!” Idiots.
What you are describing does not sound as though it were a response by LEOs, but was a poorly executed black ops assassination.
That’s exactly what it sounds like to me, although the Black Ops guys generlly take out their target in a deserted area.
i’m not sure weapons are not allowed in Costco.
I have seen at least one person in Costco with a handgun quite visible in a holster. None were store employees although the store employees seemed to know one of them.
I asked a store employee if they allowed ‘open carry’ in the store and they replied that the man was a policeman. He was definitely not in uniform.
You’re starting to see guns with real power which would be easy to totally conceal these days.
Sort of...what I find difficult is concealing during the hot summer months. I don’t like the “fanny packs”, which on old geezers like me say, “hey everyone, I have a gun in here”. What I prefer is the smaller “pocket” guns in .380...Sig makes a good one as do Glock and a bunch of other companies. While I prefer my 1911 and my Sig in .40S&W, I can’t find a way to really hide them in the summer to MY satisfaction.
Inside the waist band, with shirt not tucked in is about the best, but again...that reach movement in BestBuy could get a person kilt.
I never heard of having to identify the guns you carry. Here in Pennsylvania you can get a carry permit without even owning any guns. Or, you can own 1,000 miscellaneous guns bought anonymously at gun shows and carry whichever one (or more) you want. Makes no difference - - a carry permit is a carry permit.
I wonder how the police knew to pull out Mr. Scott from the crowds of people leaving the store?
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