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Officer Involved in Costco Shooting Involved in 2006 Shooting(NV)
8newsnow.com ^ | 12 July, 2010 | NA

Posted on 07/13/2010 4:07:32 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: arthurus
“getting down on the ground” would be taken by these officers as threatening and they would shoot

Maybe. I don't think that's 100% clear here. We have the word of one witness, it sounds bad. But I've been burned by too many news stories to go hating off the back of one, even though I'm tempted here. "Once they have shot him once they have to finish the job so he can’t tell a story different from theirs" It could be. If so, they very well may be found guilty of that. We get one side of the story. Like the old woman's dog who she locked in the bathroom then they shot it. We were all pissed off about that. But DON'T forget these hacks LIKE to make their stories like that. They are VERY often leaving out key bits of information.
41 posted on 07/13/2010 6:38:24 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: biggredd1

You actually believe this line of BS? If he was so crazy why then didn’t store security isolate him? Why was he allowed to leave with the rest of the customers? Why didn’t any of the customers notice a crazy man, hell, I can hear people disciplining their kids from 5 aisles away! If he was so crazy why did the patrons have to be TOLD to leave the store? I don’t need anyone to tell me to leave when someone is going beserk, do you? He had to be pointed out to the police by the employee once outside, he obviously wasn’t acting bizarre then. Do you get that frightened at the site of a gun? Jeez, I feel better knowing people around me are armed!


42 posted on 07/13/2010 6:41:47 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom; arthurus

“The witness said he looked to reach for the gun to remove it”

Look, I feel sorry for this guy, it doesn’t seem like he was a criminal, but that was a dumb move.

If there was a second volley while he was down on the ground like the 1st witness said, then I hope the cops are jailed, but I don’t think they will be.


43 posted on 07/13/2010 6:42:53 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: biggredd1

Oh please. Do you really believe that garbage?


44 posted on 07/13/2010 6:46:54 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: bfh333

Thank you! I find it hard to believe that this man was the ONLY person in the store armed? Don’t believe that one. I do believe that someone such as yourself would have reacted if the man was going crazy!


45 posted on 07/13/2010 6:47:07 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: AngryJawa
It'll certainly impact mine.

Previous posters on other threads regarding this story have mentioned that the best way to surrender to the cops if you are legally carrying is to put your hands up, let them know you are armed, do not move, and tell them where the weapon is.

The downside to that is having three cops all shouting different instructions to you, which is possibly the case here. Drop it, don't move, get down. All distinctly different and mutally exclusive actions.

Standard practice should be for the senior, or initial officer on the scene being the only one giving instructions to the perp.

46 posted on 07/13/2010 6:47:57 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The cop was close enough to come up behind him and tap him on the shoulder! 2 of those responding had less than 2 yrs. on the force! Not exactly lots of experience there!

Both of my brothers were cops, in major cities, they will be the first to tell you there are a lot of yahoos on the police force. When you have to beg for recruits you don’t necessarily get the cream of the crop!


47 posted on 07/13/2010 6:52:51 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Glad to hear it. One thing we need to consider — split second judgments will always cause human error. I hope people can be forgiving for honest tragic errors. That might take a while.


48 posted on 07/13/2010 6:57:30 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (It takes courage to stay on Monster Ping. [Link in profile.])
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To: biggredd1
The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.

There are so many errors in your account that it's hard to even know where to begin.

1. There is no evidence that he was "damaging/rampaging" anything in the store. The Costco employee claimed that, but witness accounts say nothing more than he was placing water bottles in his cart.

2. He had a concealed carry license AND Nevada is an open carry state.

3. The only person that "panicked" was the Costco employee who didn't like the fact that he was carrying concealed. Other customers didn't think anything was wrong until the cops started shooting.

49 posted on 07/13/2010 6:58:40 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: biggredd1

How do you know he was RAMPAGING in the srore?


50 posted on 07/13/2010 7:01:07 AM PDT by Mtn Pass (Buy beans and bullets!)
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To: Mtn Pass

Store Sorry.


51 posted on 07/13/2010 7:02:25 AM PDT by Mtn Pass (Buy beans and bullets!)
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To: kanawa

I read the same thing....sounds like he was on a rampage to me! /s


52 posted on 07/13/2010 7:10:19 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: marktwain

The idiot costco employee is the start of this terrible chain of events. I hope he gets some pain out of this for causing the tragedy.


53 posted on 07/13/2010 7:12:36 AM PDT by existtoexcel
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To: arthurus

Yeah, like the recent case of the cops tasering a bedridden 80+ yr old woman hooked up to an oxygen tank because she made a threatening movement from the bed! Oh, and they stepped on her oxygen hose as well denying her breath........Nice, makes me feel safer! NOT!


54 posted on 07/13/2010 7:13:07 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

They ask the man to get on the floor, and according to the eyewitness, he moved his arm instead.


How the **** are you supposed to get on the ground without moving an arm?!


55 posted on 07/13/2010 7:16:33 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
...the best way to surrender to the cops if you are legally carrying is to put your hands up, let them know you are armed, do not move, and tell them where the weapon is.

Seems to me that there is a magical sequence of words necessary to get through it without getting bruised, tazed, and/or ventillated. "I have a gun legally concealed..." is theoretically liable to get you killed.

"Dear Police person, I understand that your union-protected right to be able to clock out at the end of your shift and go home clearly trumps my right to not bleed out here on the sidewalk. In that spirit, I am obliged and honored to inform you that my shirt currently conceals a manually-operated gizmo that you may or may not personally approve of despite its legal and constitutional status. I shall to touch it, think of touching it, or think of you thinking that I'm thinking of touching it lest I become an impediment to your above mentioned right to clock out and go home. Please feel free to restrain me in the most embarrassing and demeaning way possible so you can feel safe, warm, and loved while removing the offending object from my waistband. I simply ask that you kindly be aware of the disposition of your index finger while performing this action as my body currently has a sufficient quantity of holes. Did I mention that this pavement tastes wonderful? Thank you and please accept my pledge of $50 to the PBA."

That ought to do it...hopefully.

56 posted on 07/13/2010 7:22:31 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: panthermom

Wow, I didn’t read that part, about being so close.


57 posted on 07/13/2010 7:26:49 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Krankor
"If the victim had two guns on him, a lot of people- and jurors- are gonna think, “Is this guy some kind of nut. He’s got two guns on him?”"

I freely admit that, when I'm off my own property the only times I do not have two firearms on me are:

  1. When I'm in s "30.06 zone" -- or --

  2. When I'm in a dress condition that does not afford the Texas-required concealment for my main sidearm.

If you carry, you should carry backup.


58 posted on 07/13/2010 8:20:35 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: existtoexcel

Pain? That person is an accessory to murder. They should get prison time.


59 posted on 07/13/2010 8:23:41 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

Yep, that kind of pain will do too. Apparently the employee is female?


60 posted on 07/13/2010 8:35:04 AM PDT by existtoexcel
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