Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Actually equal protection. you cannot take half my money and give to someone else. The government must treat us all the same
I don’t pay taxes and get nothing and those paying nothing get everything.
The entire progressive tax structure is about to go.
The vast majority of Tea Party members do not support gay marriage. However the Tea Party does support states rights. I personally believe that marriage is of such a basic design that it should be written into the constitution and I have no doubt that had the founders been witness to the assault on commonsense and common decency that many things would’ve been better defined such as obscenity. They never dreamed that the first Amendment would be twisted to twist the most vile forms of prurient sexual display and behavior. I personally wish they had defined obscenity as anything involving sexuality that exceeds the boundaries of monogamous heterosexual sex. It is a simple definition that would have left a solid legal foundation on which to stop sexual liberalism in all its variant forms before its birth and the world would be much better for it.
So let me see if I have this straight. THIS court decision says a state has a right to make its own laws. But Racist AG Holder says the state of Arizona DOESN’T have the right to make ITS own laws. Got it.
Just one little fly in the ointment for THIS decision. Didn’t the Supreme Court rule over 100 years ago that, at least for Utah, a state CAN’T make its own laws regarding marriage?
Whatever happened to STARE DECISIS?
“Many” reporters will convert meaningless anecdotes into misleading headlines.
Does this mean gays get to pay the marriage penalty now?
I normally believe in states rights, but did anyone consider what happens when the ‘married’ gays come into the states that don’t allow it, and start filing lawsuits, state and federal to be recognized as married?
That’s what makes this different, is that people’s goals are to force the states via the courts to overturn states’ laws on marriage if they don’t recognize gay marriage. And they will do it thru both state and federal courts.
So the federal government will be involved no matter what. They will get dragged in to referee because the gays will drag them in to referee. It’s part of the strategy. The government could be anyway because of the commerce clause as people frequently travel across state lines and get married.
I believe this is a case that is both a states rights issue and a federal issue. The states have a right to decide if they will recognize gay marriage, but it’s also a federal issue because they will ultimately have to decide via courts or laws issues between states that recognize it and those that don’t. There are too many other legal issues that arise from marriage (survivorship, property, custody issues, etc) that gays will force them into the debate. And right now it’s much better to have DOMA in place because with DOMA in place and the federal government NOT recognizing gay marriage, it is de facto leaving it up to the states. DOMA doesn’t say the states can’t legalize gay marriage, just says the fed govt won’t recognize it. And that is great for all of the people who say “leave it up to the states”. DOMA effectively does this right now. So it doesn’t need to go away. If it goes away, and that is taken as a sign to allow the federal government to recognize gay marriage, ultimately all the states opposed to it will have to accept gay marriage - if the federal government recognizes it, the courts will rule the smaller states will have to, too. Because federal law applies all across the 50 states.
So don’t be fooled about getting rid of DOMA, DOMA actually keeps the choice to recognize gay marriage a states issue, because with DOMA, by the federal govt saying “no we won’t recognize it” that still permits states to recognize it if they want to. It also permits states not to. But if the feds would recognize it, and all states are under federal law, then that would take away a states’ right to oppose it.
I hope you can see this and hope you will not be in favor of DOMA going away, it’s the major law that allows states to determine whether or not they will recognize gay marriage. If DOMA falls, and worse, if the federal government says is will recognize it, the courts will rule that federal law being uniform across all states, those states with laws opposed, are now null and void. If they strike it down but say nothing, it will go through the courts and the courts will decide if the federal government recognizes gay marriage or not. One way or another it will be a disaster for states rights on this issue if DOMA goes down.
In short, the federal government not recognizing gay marriage is the best position. That leaves the doors open for states to recognize it, or not. If the government takes a neutral or pro stance on gay marriage there will be no choice for those that oppose it, federal law will trump state laws. A neutral position will lead to federal court cases where the SCOTUS will decide, and probably will support gay marriage. A pro gay marriage law will strip states of their right to oppose it.
The TEA Party is a mix of Conservatives, Independents, and Democrates who have come together to fight the massive government bureaucracy that has has taken a strangle hold on the throats of we Americans!
So you’re supporting homosexual/same sex marriage? In the fake name of “states’ rights”?
And you think that most people attending Tea Parties think the same way? You took polls or what? How do you know this?
Or are you just hoping this is the case?
Sure they do. And the Allies are going to land at the Pot de Calais. Bank on it.
To butch up this thread, an Old Spice commercial. Starring Neil Patrick Harris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TusJ8HSLaUs
Me thinks the morally depraved count their chickens before they hatch. More propaganda from the leftists. The homosexual agenda and the left are tied at the hip -one can not exist without the other -the victims and the community organizers. The homosexual agenda and big government are one in the same. The tea party may not have a position on homosexual marriage; however, by default a successful tea party with individual rights triumphant will equate to a failed collective socialist agenda -a failed homosexual agenda. It will be back to the closets for the left...
The idiot libertarians and progressives fail to notice, or mention, that striking down the federal definition of marriage part in DOMA makes fake marriage recognition portable to ALL the states, and will be used as powerful leverage by the homofascists to whittle away at state marriage protections laws. That they don’t see this, or conveniently fail to ignore it, is astounding.