I just went to check back on his usual historical crap just for the hell of it..
saw the exchange with he had with you in April where he thinks maybe Tea Party is infiltrated with some bad guys like the Left claims
folks like him demonize groups and symbols themselves and then lecture that the very thing they themselves disparaged is now sullied and should be distanced from
a very problem they helped create
now why is this freeper and others like him on this forum?
someone help me grasp how they help our side?
While we often agree in principle in his posts I have read, we are not the same person. SmokingJoe signed up on Nov. 7, 2008 and the nonexistent profile page is here: SmokingJoe
If you click on my name at the bottom of this post you'll see I've been around a mite longer, which means I have just inconvenienced a few more electrons over the years. r9etb has raised some valid points and did so on the thread you linked. I'll point them out. First, in the event TEA partiers do not get their own image out there in the public eye, the movement will be painted as the press darned well pleases. (Whether that is a valid image or not).
I'd say that is true, as experience has shown us, whether we like the fact or not.
Previous efforts to paint the movement as racist remain unsubstantiated by evidence, despite the $100,000 reward, but as always, the canards of the MSM need not have any basis in fact--it is all about image.
While FOX has shown images of Malik Shabazz and other 'New Black Panther Party' members standing together and the active call for violence against "Crackers" and their infant offspring ("Cracker" being the equivalent of "Ni**er", only for white people), I think it is no accident that the MSM networks are claiming racism on the part of the TEA partiers, as if their previously unconfirmed accounts of someone being racist out of millions of people attending the gathering is the equivalent of the New Black Panther Party leadership calling for the murder of white infants.
As usual, the Left is not against using 'plants' to create 'evidence' where none exists. Just like the 'Fake but true' National Guard Memos.
Experience tells us they don't play fair, and this is a war to them, where nothing matters but the subjugation of America and Americans under totalitarian rule, with them doing the ruling, of course.
Partly this image is being created in an attempt to Alinsky the TEA party movement, to try to cow it into ineffectiveness through baseless allegations of racism. Partly, it is being done to discourage decent Black people from joinint the ranks of TEA partiers by making it appear Blacks would be unwelcome.
While r9etb writes in that post that the answer to being marginalized and treated as loons is a having a central structure in the TEA party movement, it remains difficult to have a single spokesperson, especially in a grass-roots movement.
The other advantage of a broad movement is that if one local spokesperson is somehow discredited, it dies not mean that that can be used against the entire movement.
The liberals are scared, and I do not think it is any accident that the neonazis were all over the History Channel this morning, either, because that is another baseless Alinsky-type affiliation the MSM and others are trying to stick to the TEA party as well.
There is no disagreement among us, in that the Administration and the Liberal Socialists are trying to discredit the movement as being: racist, anti-semitic, crackpot, fringe, and even dangerous. They are doing the typical smear spin campaign, and are desperately projecting their behaviours on their opposition--something we have all seen before.
Another point r9etb made on that thread, which I consider to be valid: "Your public image is already being created by your enemies. And you're gonna refute them right here at FR. Are Tea Partiers really that ignorant of what it takes to mount a serious political movement?
Is a good point, as much as we might not like to hear it either.
This is a great website to discuss, refute, confirm, and transfer information, especially with the wealth we have of posters who are geographically distributed and who have expertise in a wide variety of fields. However, in order to get the message out, we have to be spreading it in our communities, on the air, at Townhall meetings, letters to the Editor, political venues, streetcorner 'FReeps", wherever possible, whenever possible, and not relying on the world to come here and read what we have to say. In e-media, that means Facebook, Twitter, e-mails, postcards, You Tube, whatever we can use to keep our values and demands active in the political arena. The TEA party movement has been born of that desire to make our voices heard, because it just wasn't getting through in phone calls to Congressional offices, and was not being reported on the six-o-clock news. We can make that happen, and that takes organization. We do not need to be led from the top down, necessarily, but coordination of the people involved is essential to get the turnout we need, to keep people vigillant of poseurs and infiltrators, and to get the word out on key local issues as well. To be effective, local groups should compose press releases, carefully worded to avoid baseless accusations of misdeeds, and relying on the inherent laziness of reporters to use that material if well crafted, rather than spin their own (works well with most local papers). Then those media articles can be posted here (and on other sites) for broader exposure. If we are to be effective at anything but being a target for flogging by the MSM, we need to create our own image, get the word out that we have been Taxed Enough Already, and get people to realize we are for America, the Constitution, and the rule of law, not against any racial group of Americans.
I do not see r9etb's posts in that thread to be anti-TEA party, but rather warnings of what might happen unless steps are taken to prevent it.
Believe it or not, gentlemen, despite our miscommunications and disagreements, I believe we are basically on the same side here.
“now why is this freeper and others like him on this forum?
someone help me grasp how they help our side?”
The only thing I can think of is “Libtard Trolls”!