John McCain Decimated by JD Hayworth in Second Senate Primary Debate

Intellectual Conservative ^ | 2010-07-18 | Rachel Alexander

[rabscuttle385]

McCain calls Hayworth a "pig." He desperately defends his flip-flops and record of voting for the billion dollar pork TARP bailouts which included $150 billion in earmarks, co-sponsoring amnesty with Ted Kennedy and cap and trade legislation with Joe Lieberman, and voting against tax cuts twice. Hayworth easily proves that he is much more conservative than McCain on the very things McCain has been attacking him on – pork and earmarks.

In their second, and likely final, Senate primary debate, JD Hayworth again easily defeated John McCain. McCain avoided discussing real issues, where he has a record of flip-flopping in a massive election year race to the right, and instead attacked JD on non-substantive, odd areas. McCain's desperation came through the clearest towards the end of the debate, when he referred to JD as a pig. "One should never get in a wrestling match with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it." There were audible gasps of surprise from the audience.

Some thought the remark was also a backhanded slap at Sarah Palin, who is rumored to have refused to campaign for McCain a second time this year. Palin was called a pig by Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign. She refused to return McCain's phone calls when he first tried to get her to campaign for him earlier this year against JD. They had not spoken in over a year, since the 2008 presidential campaign ended. In their last appearance together, she was prohibited from giving a concession speech. She wrote a book, Going Rogue, about the difficulties working with the McCain campaign. The title referred to the derogatory label McCain staffers gave her when she would speak to the media without their permission. When Palin finally agreed to campaign for McCain earlier this year, it was widely speculated that she did so unwillingly. Noticeably, she did not tweet about her two appearances in Arizona for McCain, although she tweeted about her appearance at Tea Party Express rally against Harry Reid in his hometown of Searchlight, Nevada, taking place at the same time.

The debate began with the moderator asking each candidate why they were the most conservative candidate. JD said that he was the most conservative because he has a lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union of 98% over his 12 years in Congress (about the same rating as the most conservative member of the Senate, Jim DeMint), an "A" rating from the NRA, and an endorsement by Gun Owners of America. Citizens Against Government Waste gives him a higher lifetime score than McCain. Unlike McCain, JD opposes amnesty and the billion dollar pork TARP bailouts which included $150 billion in earmarks. He opposed cap and trade legislation which McCain co-sponsored with Democrat Joe Lieberman. JD helped write the tax cuts that McCain voted against in 2001 and 2003. JD said McCain sounds more like John Kerry than John McCain (McCain once considered running on the Democrat ticket as Kerry's Vice-Presidential running mate).

McCain claimed he was the most conservative because Arizona Right to Life PAC endorsed him. It showed a little desperation that he mentioned that endorsement several times during the debates, considering it was illegitimately obtained. Most of Arizona Right to Life's leadership did not agree with the endorsement due to McCain's support of taxpayer-funded embryonic stem cell research and other positions he has taken. He touted his endorsement by the NRA, which was equally lacking in credibility. The NRA has said about McCain in the past,

The gun control debate in Washington has hit center stage because Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has now become one of the premier flag carriers for the enemies of the Second Amendment. … McCain has joined with Al Gore running mate Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn. – a gun ban advocate rated "F" by NRA's Political Victory Fund – in championing legislation to close the so-called 'gun show loophole.' McCain is the poster boy for Americans For Gun Safety … appearing in their television ads calling for new federal restrictions on gun shows.

McCain said he was endorsed by Citizens for Government Waste. Considering they gave JD a higher rating than McCain, one wonders if they too, like Arizona Right to Life, were unfairly strong-armed into endorsing him. McCain listed off some more endorsements by sheriffs and mayors. One mayor in that list told me he was strong-armed into endorsing him and has since switched his support to JD.

Next, McCain attacked JD for being a lobbyist. JD registered as a lobbyist after he left Congress to represent one client on one issue. Contrast that with McCain's troubling ties to lobbyists. McCain brought out his predictable attack on Hayworth for appearing in an infomercial advertising free government grants. McCain failed to point out that he had helped pass legislation putting those government grants into place, that his own website contains extensive information on how the public could apply for those grants, and that the owner of the company contributed $11,000 to McCain's campaign. JD admitted that he had made a mistake by appearing in the commercial, and said that at least he admits when he makes a mistake. McCain has never admitted it was a mistake that he voted for the billion dollar pork TARP bailouts, co-sponsored cap and trade, amnesty, and voted against tax cuts twice.

McCain claimed the difference between him and JD comes down to spending, and that JD defended pork barrel and earmark spending. McCain said he was proud to have stood up against pork barrel and earmark spending. JD called him out on that blatantly false statement, saying "facts are stubborn things." McCain voted for the billion dollar pork TARP bailouts which included $150 billion in earmarks. JD refuted McCain's television ads claiming that JD supported $70 billion in earmarks. All of the bills McCain referred to in his ads contained earmarks added by other members of Congress, not JD; JD simply voted for the bills which the earmarks had been attached to, like standard appropriations bills. Even so, $70 billion in earmarks isn't half as much as the $150 billion in earmarks McCain voted for in one of the pork TARP bailouts. McCain retorted and defended the earmarks, claiming they were not earmarks. McCain has also earmarked defense jobs for Arizona. McCain claimed that JD lost reelection to Congress in 2006 because of big spending, which made no sense considering the voters elected Democrat Harry Mitchell instead, who is a big-spending Democrat. JD noted that McCain lost his presidential bid for president twice, and said that if McCain had ran as aggressive of a campaign against Obama as he is against JD, he might have won the presidential election.

The second question of the debate asked the candidates whether it was possible to completely secure Arizona's border with Mexico. McCain denied that he had ever been for amnesty. He then launched into a tirade about how important it was to secure the border, in a speech that sounded like it came from the Minutemen. "The situation is dire…the federal government has not fulfilled its responsibilities to secure the border." McCain failed to mention that he was part of the federal government refusing to fix the border, because he was busy co-sponsoring amnesty legislation with Democrat Ted Kennedy. JD said that McCain tried to erase existing law with his amnesty bill. Whereas JD's Enforcement First bill he proposed while in Congress was very similar to Arizona's SB1070.

The third question was whether there should be comprehensive immigration reform, and if so, what it should include. McCain admitted he still supported comprehensive immigration reform (a synonym for amnesty) after securing the border. JD cited a Heritage Foundation study which found that McCain's amnesty bill would cost taxpayers $2.6 trillion. JD called McCain out on opposing market reforms for Medicare, prescription drug coverage for citizens, while supporting expanding Medicare and Social Security for illegal immigrants. McCain responded by dodging the assertion and launching into another Minuteman-sounding tirade about border security.

Next, the candidates were asked whether government had overstepped its bounds. JD expressed his concern about the growing federal bureaucracy. He said if elected he would introduce the Congressional Responsibility Act, which would mandate that every regulation proposed by Washington bureaucrats be brought to the Senate first for an up or down vote. He also would propose a Constitutional Citation Act, first proposed by Rep. John Shadegg as the Enumerated Powers Act, which would require all bills to cite the specific provision in the Constitution that gives Congress the power to act in that area.

McCain complained about bills further expanding the government's size, saying they are mortgaging our children's and grandchildren's future. He failed to mention that he was part of the problem. JD said McCain had no business lecturing us on fiscal responsibility. McCain voted for the billion dollar pork TARP bailouts with earmarks, which went to big Wall Street banks that were top contributors to his campaign. Those bailouts began to nationalize the banking and auto industries. McCain's only defense was to dodge the issue and attack JD again for appearing in an infomercial.

The fourth question asked candidates was what the most important economic stimulus would be to get the economy back on track. McCain bragged that he led the fight against Obamacare. It stood out, because it was the only thing McCain was able to point to where he actually did oppose the Democrats. He briefly mentioned the Tea Parties, which also stood out, since McCain has not shown up at a single Tea Party. Even his staff has been noticeably absent at Tea Party rallies like the Stand With Arizona rally this spring.

The fifth question asked was whether we need an exit strategy in Afghanistan. JD said we needed to define victory in Afghanistan as eradicating the Taliban. He disagreed with McCain on the use of enhanced interrogation of suspected terrorists, pointing out that there were four examples where enhanced interrogation resulted in foiling terrorist plots. JD said that McCain has been an Obama-enabler, by permitting Obama to close Gitmo and bring enemy combatants to American criminal courts instead of treating them as terrorists who should be adjudicated under military law.

The sixth question was how would the candidates ensure that everyone has healthcare. JD pointed out that we already have a program for the medically indigent. He supports health savings accounts. The problem is the redistribution of money that will occur under unaffordable Obamacare, and healthcare costs that will increase with McCain's amnesty plan for illegal immigrants. McCain could have stopped Obamacare from passing if he had stayed longer in Washington and demanded that the bill be read. McCain responded that he led the fight against Obamacare, and was proud of it, denying that he could have stopped it, "reading the bill would have just delayed the passage of it." JD retorted, "John has led in losing fights. We don't need a 'last line of defense,' we need a 'first line of advocacy for Arizona.'"

Lesser-known third candidate Jim Deakin, was clearly out of his league and made some bizarre statements. Most of his accusations against JD didn't ring true considering JD has one of the most conservative ratings in Congress. Deakin said both McCain and JD are the same when it comes to illegal immigration, and did not make border security an issue while in office. Considering JD was one of the biggest proponents in Congress regarding securing the border, and a sponsor of the Enforcement First legislation, Deakin's accusation came across as dishonest. Deakin even admitted that JD wrote a book about illegal immigration, Whatever It Takes. Then Deakin backpedaled on illegal immigration and said he supported "migration," referring to some kind of a guestworker program, and that we need to do something about the 12 million illegal immigrants here. Another out of place statement by Deakin was calling our U.S. troops' presence in Afghanistan "an abomination," sounding not like a conservative, but more like the dovish left. He accused the U.S. of imposing our will upon the Afghanistan people.

Deakin tried to morph himself into the "Tea Party candidate" after the Tea Parties emerged over a year ago, but has failed to make inroads. Most of the Tea Parties in Arizona capable of endorsing candidates have endorsed JD. Deakin has also tried to portray himself as the "constitutional candidate" but does not have enough of a grasp of the Constitution to speak about it accurately, occasionally making misstatements. He has incurred considerable resentment due to his attitude that he is entitled to enter politics with no experience and run for one of the highest offices in the country, without gaining any experience first in a lower office like state legislature. He is seen as a spoiler who is taking away votes from JD and handing the race over to McCain.

McCain blinked profusely during both debates. For someone who has appeared constantly on television, as one of the Senate's biggest showhorses, it was odd to see him blinking this much. There was some speculation by observers that it was body language reflective of lying.

McCain said that if he could change one thing in his past, it would be his record on supporting veterans. McCain has a terrible record on supporting veterans, although he frequently declares otherwise. The Disabled American Veterans gave him a 20% rating. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans organization gave him a "D" grade. He has voted against veterans' issues and soldiers countless times, infuriating veterans.

The final question asked of the candidates was what they heard during the debate that bothered them the most. JD said it was McCain's untruthfulness. He cited a line from McCain's book where McCain said he chose to lie in order to win the presidential election (he still lost), and suggested that McCain is continuing a pattern of lying in order to win. McCain wrote in Worth the Fighting For, "I could tell from the desperate looks of my staff that we had an enormous problem. And that it could come down to lying or losing. I chose lying."

Overall, JD accomplished what he needed to accomplish in this debate: refute the accusations in the hundreds of television ads McCain has been running diverting the focus of the election from who has a better conservative record to a couple of red herring issues instead, like JD appearing in an infomercial. McCain came into the campaign with a leftover warchest of $5 million, including $1.1 million from convicted Ponzi criminal Scott Rothstein (which McCain has refused to return to the victims, unlike other politicians who received money from Rothstein). This overwhelming advantage has allowed McCain to steer the election issues away from his liberal flip-flopping record and put JD on the defensive. Now, with the facts out, the playing field should level out, since it is a conservative Tea Party revolt year, and the voters are turning against longtime incumbent big-spenders.

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[gov_bean_ counter]

Will it matter?

[rabscuttle385]

*Ping!*

[catfish1957]

JD was hanging in there pretty well, until Palin’s loving endorsement.

[ought-six]

“Will it matter?”

It should. But I doubt it will.

[rockinqsranch]

I pray Arizonians see matters from a Conservative perspective, and vote accordingly. J.D. will be their choice.

[olezip]

McCain's desperation came through the clearest towards the end of the debate, when he referred to JD as a pig. "One should never get in a wrestling match with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it."

It is time for John McCain to retire and support JD. Especially when he is reduced to calling names, a Democrat strategy. Democrats have no soul, no vision, and are unenlightened; they quickly resort to name calling because they have nothing else, nothing but lust for power to tax and spend.

[bmwcyle]

Palin needs to pull her head out of her butt and stop promoting RINOs.

[red tie]

McCain always has been a lousy debater so he has to resort to lying. Unfortunately for him, he is incompetent at that too. Let's hope the voters are following this.

[Anti-Bubba182]

We will see if JD’s performance erodes McCain’s huge lead in the polls.

[mirkwood]

Unenlightened? Please be careful when using that word. It can encompass “shared prosperity” and “compassionate conservatism”.

[Nextrush]

Inside the beltway groups that claim to be pro-life or conservative, pro-Second Amendment etc. that endorse moderates like McCain discredit the causes they claim to represent.

Its time to get outside the beltway and send McCain back there.

[Waco]

McMcain’s the turd in the punchbowl,,a near traitor.

[BobP]

Yea Waco, you stole my thunder.

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The old turd needs to dry up and blow away.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Palin Keeping Distance from McCain?

[In the above report]

Some thought the [pig] remark was also a backhanded slap at Sarah Palin, who is rumored to have refused to campaign for McCain a second time this year. Palin was called a pig by Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign. She refused to return McCain’s phone calls when he first tried to get her to campaign for him earlier this year against JD. [snip]
[Embedded link]
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/67144/index6.html

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I think McCain’s well documented temper got the better of him. After the first debate, he reportedly stormed off in a rage.

[Non-Sequitur]

Will it matter?

Alas, no.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Thank you for the ping! Haha! And God bless you for all of your hard work. FRegards ....

[gov_bean_ counter]

I am afraid you are right. For all his talk against earmarks, McCain ensures Arizona gets their "fair share" at the end of the day. There is currently running on AFN a PSA that trumpets a huge DOD program run in conjunction with the University of Arizona. Go figure.

[olezip]

Unenlightened? Please be careful when using that word. It can encompass “shared prosperity” and “compassionate conservatism”.

Many Republicans are unenlightened, that is, are unable to connect the dots between cause and effect.

To me this would apply to pubs supporting open borders and One World Government.

[Leisler]

McInsain is our Robert Byrd. Scheming, nutty, senile, hack.

[Vaquero]

“Will it matter?”

It should. But I doubt it will.

it may come across to moderates/swing voters, as mean spirited to the war hero.....

[mkjessup]

Palin needs to pull her head out of her butt and stop promoting RINOs.

PALIN HATER!!!!!
[just premptively slurring you as a 'hater' before the Palin Rabid Response Team arrives, that ok? ;)]

The fact is, Sarah Palin isn't promoting RINOs, she is promoting HERSELF. And if that task requires in her view, the need to endorse treasonous bastards like John McCain, so be it.

Sarah Palin is just one more political populist/opportunist claiming to be a conservative, when in fact she is a conswervative, swerving from right to middle to even left (like John McCain and Carly FioRINO), if it means that it advances her own personal agenda.

If John McCain manages to win a final six year term in the Senate, Arizona and America will have deluded Arizona voters and Sarah Palin (who deluded them), to thank for it.

In every area, in every possible category, J.D. Hayworth is MORE conservative than John McCain.

What nit-wit with a bare modicum of common sense would support a lying bastard like McCain?

[Non-Sequitur]

And one can only wonder what would have happened is Palin had stayed out of it.

[bcsco]

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[bmwcyle]

WRONG!

[TMA62]

Is Palin still involved in his campaign? I recall she did a few appearances for him in APRIL but that was a long time ago.

[bray]

Of course he’s ahead because of one 15 min Palin visit. She must be one powerful endorser. Guess we have her campaign for every one of our candidates and they won’t win any.

Pray for America

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

You Know The Drill
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Hey! FReepers!
Help Fill The Tank!
How About It? Huh?
It Ain't Askin' Too Much
Ya Know....

[paudio]

Sad as it is, the answer would be no. But, who knows? The primary is still about a month to go, everything can happen. At a comparable stage of election, Scott Brown was still down by two digits.

[Will88]

She refused to return McCain's phone calls when he first tried to get her to campaign for him earlier this year against JD.

If the above is true, first instincts are usually right, Sarah. You should have followed them in this case. At least stay away from the McCain campaign from here on out.

[LibLieSlayer]

And yet Arizona will reelect mcamnesty with a huge percentage of the vote.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

Blame the voters in Arizona... they are the ones that will put this pos rino BACK in office.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

This article points out that she has not promoted mcnasty since that endorsement. You did read it?

LLS

[Non-Sequitur]

She has endorsed him and is on the record as saying he’s the best person for the job. Has he campaigned with him? Not much, but I don’t believe she campaigned with Fiorina or Haley or any of the candidates she’d endorsed. Palin’s support has been a big help to McCain, and has done who knows how much to ensure that McCain will continue to be a thorn in the side of any future Republican administration.

[Biggirl]

This is all going to come back and bite McCain in the behind.

[kempster]

This endorsement could be the end of her political chances for 2012 since John will have put his blue coat back on by that time if he is re-elected.

[bray]

No it won’t the only people upset about it are people who wouldn’t vote for her if she were the only one on the ballot. She is a great voice for Conservatives which is going to offend alot of people.

Pray for America

[fwdude]

I see nothing wrong with name-call, as long as it is aptly applied and accurate. McCain is a closet socialist, and Hayworth should say so.

[MBB1984]

Yes, McCain is a very weak debater. Frankly, I was very surprised to see him agree to any debates.

Win or lose, it is always refreshing to see McCain against the background of the truth. He always comes up short—far short and abysmal.

[kempster]

How can you be a great voice for Conservatives and support McCain? We have enough “Convenient Conservatives”. I still think this is a mistake.

[mkjessup]

WRONG!

Wrong how? About you being a 'hater'? About Palin? That one word response was a little vague...

[LoveUSA]

...and you know if McCain is re-elected and Sarah is running for ANY office, McCain will suddenly perform one of his famous 180's and find a reason to refuse his endorsement of Sarah.

You can put a military uniform on a pig, but...

[mkjessup]

Thanks for that link Arthur, that is a very interesting article on McJuan, and of all the anecdotes and tales about Senator RINO, I found this both amusing and disturbing:

"People who have spent years with McCain say he has always been emotionally remote, virtually alone even while surrounded by staffers.
When he calls his own mother, he announces, “Hi, Mother, this is John McCain.”

There is something funny and yet tragic about that.

[NTHockey]

>>She refused to return McCain’s phone calls when he first tried to get her to campaign for him earlier this year against JD. They had not spoken in over a year, since the 2008 presidential campaign ended. In their last appearance together, she was prohibited from giving a concession speech. She wrote a book, Going Rogue, about the difficulties working with the McCain campaign. The title referred to the derogatory label McCain staffers gave her when she would speak to the media without their permission. When Palin finally agreed to campaign for McCain earlier this year, it was widely speculated that she did so unwillingly. Noticeably, she did not tweet about her two appearances in Arizona for McCain, although she tweeted about her appearance at Tea Party Express rally against Harry Reid in his hometown of Searchlight, Nevada, taking place at the same time.<<

Governor Palin knows EXACTLY what she is doing. While her opponents are playing checkers, she is playing 3-D chess. When she first “endorsed” McCain, I said to wait and see what she does, not what she said.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”The third question was whether there should be comprehensive immigration reform, and if so, what it should include. McCain admitted he still supported comprehensive immigration reform (a synonym for amnesty) after securing the border. JD cited a Heritage Foundation study which found that McCain's amnesty bill would cost taxpayers $2.6 trillion”

It's not amnesty, it's registration. Registration for.... free Obama-care...Bush-Obama tax credits...food stamps...and to vote democrat...No Republican will admit they are for amnesty, it's registration.

[RandallFlagg]

Also notable that McCain had to use the phrase, “There you go again,” THREE times in two debates to keep his shirt on.

Didn’t work, John.

[bray]

Well, guess she’s going to have to manage w/o you. Most understand nobody would know who she is w/o InSain and she was doing a nice gesture. Frankly I don’t care about 2012 right now we have bigger fish right now.

Perhaps JD could win the thing himself? He did great during the debates and should get a solid bump making it a race.

Pray for America

[Truth29]

""When he calls his own mother, he announces, "Hi, Mother, this is John McCain."

There is something funny and yet tragic about that."

Hey, that's warm. He could have begun, "Hello, Mrs. McCain..."

[mazda77]

She did her pennence and as noted did not tweet about her endorsement visit but she did on the Searchlight visit just a day or two after. This “pig” thing is a lot bigger than most may understand, especially when considering her endorsement. There is still time for her to pull a “Lucy” moment on McCain which she is entirely capable and proven to do to people who take her for granted. Just ask the daddy of her biggest RINO non fan in Alaska.