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Vet Snub Shocks Families
Daily Beast ^ | 7/19/10 | Gelb

Posted on 07/19/2010 8:04:57 AM PDT by pabianice

It was inauguration day for the nation’s most modern facility for the treatment of active-duty soldiers and veterans suffering from brain injuries and psychological disorders—5,000 of them with families on hand. At the podium in Bethesda, Maryland, stood Arnold Fisher, the chief fundraiser for this precious center that may need to care for hundreds of thousands of victims, searching in vain for one White House official, one Cabinet officer, one member of the Joint Chiefs, one senator. He found none. And he asked again and again, “Where are they?”

“You are injured,” Fisher said. “We are all here. Where are they?”

Where were they? President Obama was in meetings and having a hamburger lunch with Russian President Medvedev. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was also at these meetings, though not at the hamburger shop in Virginia. Michelle Obama, who has made caring for military families one of her top priorities, couldn’t make it; she was said to have given her final "no" at the last minute. She was accompanying Mrs. Medvedev on a visit to the Duke Ellington School for the Arts in D.C., where they watched a dance performance. Vice President Joe Biden also met with Russians and with Israelis. Defense Secretary Robert Gates sent his deputy William Lynn III. All four Joint Chiefs sent their deputies. General Eric Shinseki, secretary of Veterans Affairs, couldn’t make it. Not one among the legions of pro- and antiwar hooting senators could find the time. Only two members of the House of Representatives found their way to the ceremony.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: snub; veterans
Words fail in adequately describing our president.
1 posted on 07/19/2010 8:04:58 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Re-elect nobody.


2 posted on 07/19/2010 8:08:48 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: pabianice

wut?

3 posted on 07/19/2010 8:09:43 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: pabianice

“Where are they?”

You mean he thinks someone in this administration gives a shit?


4 posted on 07/19/2010 8:09:54 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: pabianice

How bad has it got to be if even a former New York Times reporter notices and writes about it? Shameful. Wish he would have said who the two congressmen were. Again, Obama’s deaf ear, his disconnect from our country, is evident.


5 posted on 07/19/2010 8:18:17 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: pabianice

I don’t know who is at fault. Short notice or bad scheduling or just disinterest by our representatives.

It just makes me very sad!

I would have gone if I had known that the event was open to the public...


6 posted on 07/19/2010 8:33:09 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: pabianice

The Administration in engaged only in political posturing for profit. When it comes to actual leadership or deeds, they are AWOL.


7 posted on 07/19/2010 8:33:21 AM PDT by griswold3 ('Regulation and law without enforcement is no law at all)
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To: jessduntno

They don’t want the private sector to upstage the government system.


8 posted on 07/19/2010 8:36:13 AM PDT by griswold3 ('Regulation and law without enforcement is no law at all)
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To: pabianice

So, who were the two Congressmen?


9 posted on 07/19/2010 8:40:36 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: pabianice
What is Tammy Duckworth getting paid for besides writing suicide manuals for depressed vets? She should have been there as head of the VA.
10 posted on 07/19/2010 9:14:52 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Obama, the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: pabianice

Well what the heck were they to do? The Russian President was here. Do you think they can just say, “Sorry President I can’t see you.” They cannot do this. It is against protocol. You guys are so clueless on protocol. Sometimes I wonder what kinds of education you received. There are all kinds of rules that the President must follow. These guys are once and for all more bitched about then the bush’s....actually 10 fold. Even President Bush didn’t get made fun of by the liberals for eating an ice cream and if he was there would have be war on this site!


11 posted on 07/19/2010 9:17:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: pabianice

Posted Comment

steve1705

I am a Marine infantry (0311) vet, I served in Iraq and actually saw some combat. I am calling a bullshit flag on these numbers of PTSD and traumatic brain injury. 300k and 360k? You have got to be shitting me.

Considering only a little over 1 million people have cycled through the war zones, you are looking at 1/3 of them getting traumatic brain injury and/or ptsd? Most people aren’t even infantry and yes, they may face IEDs on the rare occasions they leave the fobs but most people in Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t/won’t be engaged by the enemy.

I was in 2/1 and another unit in my regiment (1/4) did 2 tours in Iraq without recieving a combat action ribbon. This means they were never under fire from the enemy. They went twice and got no CARs. Thats 14 months without enemy contact. During this time my unit went over and took 13 kias and many more wounded, this was in 2006 before Iraq really calmed down. My point is even in 2006 when you had men fighting you had an entire Marine infantry battalion, men who were out on patrol looking for the enemy not being engaged. This was not an isolated incident I am sure. I had friends in other battalions who went over to Iraq and while their battalion took some contact, they themselves never fired a shot or even saw the enemy.

It varies even by company in a battalion. My company had 1 man killed and around 8 wounded, another company had 0 casulties, and the other had 12 or so killed and several more wounded. This was in the same AO in the same city even. I don’t believe that PTSD is a problem. I knew 1 dude with legitimate PTSD, he was wounded severley and while in the hospital in Germany his house burned down in the US and killed his entire family. That guy had issues, lots of them. However that is understandable and uncommon.

I knew people who got diagnosed with PTSD. Most of them admitted they lied their ass off just to get the benefits. They were EASing and tried to inflate VA benefits. The doctors are so scared of missing PTSD they give it to anyone. If you want PTSD here is what you say, I have trouble forming relationships with family/friends/girl/boyfriend. I can’t sleep, I need to drink to go to sleep, I have bouts of uncontrollable rage, I don’t trust anyone, I can’t stop thinking about Iraq, I am always checking the area for enemy, I can’t concentrate on schoolwork/work, I am nervous all the time, I have anxiety attacks, I get mad at people for no reason and can’t control my anger, I snap over little things. If you tell the doc you have some combination of not being able to sleep, drinking too much, anger issues, and not being able to form relationships you stand a very good chance of being diagnosed with PTSD. You tell the doc what he wants to hear and you got it.


12 posted on 07/19/2010 9:21:25 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left and the middle.)
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To: B4Ranch
The Ft. Hood terrorist, Hassan, would have seen all of these cases.

My son has done three tours in Iraq, on those roads, every single day. He doesn't have PTSD or even a headaches. He's grateful every single day. Where are the success stories re Iraq?

13 posted on 07/19/2010 9:50:16 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: B4Ranch

Thought you might find this interesting given your post. Found it on facebook on the WSJ fan page:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704913304575371130876271708.html?mod=E2fb

I’d heard the VA was going to make it easier to claim PTSD. However, I didn’t realize it was going to extend to people who were non-combatants.


14 posted on 07/19/2010 9:54:00 AM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: rangerwife

I think there’s a push to stop wars and shut down the industrial-military complex. Over evaluating PTSD injuries will only be one arm in the fight.

If I’m right be prepared for us to support UN troops, (read as “US troops wearing blue helmets”) when actual field combat is considered necessary.

You and your children won’t mind living under a One World Government will you?


15 posted on 07/19/2010 10:03:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left and the middle.)
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To: ishabibble

The Ft. Hood terrorist, Hassan, would have seen all of these cases.

&&&&

The dereliction of duty of every one of Hassan’s superiors in totally disregarding his interactions with the minds of many military troops is what made me the most furious about him. He should never have been in contact with soldiers.

The media and the military have totally ignored this fact, as if concern for the minds, (lack of care of), of military troops can only be used to berate the DOD, but not to protect the actual servicemen.


16 posted on 07/19/2010 10:13:43 AM PDT by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: napscoordinator
"Well what the heck were they to do?"

Why is it that you always have an excuse for this pathetic administration? Ignorant? You don't know the meaning of the word. Read the article, DIMWIT. There were PLENTY of high ranking officials available. PLENTY.

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was also at these meetings, though not at the hamburger shop in Virginia. Michelle Obama, who has made caring for military families one of her top priorities, couldn’t make it; she was said to have given her final "no" at the last minute. She was accompanying Mrs. Medvedev on a visit to the Duke Ellington School for the Arts in D.C., where they watched a dance performance. Vice President Joe Biden also met with Russians and with Israelis. Defense Secretary Robert Gates sent his deputy William Lynn III. All four Joint Chiefs sent their deputies. General Eric Shinseki, secretary of Veterans Affairs, couldn’t make it. Not one among the legions of pro- and antiwar hooting senators could find the time.

Read the articles at least before you shoot off your ignorant Dem defenses. You do this constantly.

17 posted on 07/19/2010 10:17:34 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: napscoordinator

If it takes every member of the “Administration” to pander to the Russian President, the United States has more problems than we think. Protocol also extends to those who have sacrificed for their Nation.

The VP could have been there, however he is only trotted out to say something stupid to distract from the Administrations idiocy when “Bo” the dog cannot be spared from his duties.


18 posted on 07/19/2010 10:26:50 AM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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To: jessduntno

You nailed it.


19 posted on 07/19/2010 10:30:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: B4Ranch

Ummm....yes, I will have a huge problem with it! I understand what you mean....overdiagnosis sets us up for not having the manpower for waging war and leaves us without an adequate fighting force. The thing that really bugs me about this loosening of the standard for PTSD is that legal standard for claiming emotional distress under common tort law requires you to be, at the very least a witness to the event! I know a VA claim is not the same as a civil tort claim, but it is in a way (it’s analogous I guess you could say) as there is a burden of proof that has to be met legally. Now the burden is lowered, so anyone and everyone is going to start claiming it.


20 posted on 07/19/2010 10:35:28 AM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: jessduntno

You do not know a thing about protocol. You call me a DIMWIT when you are a newbie...get the heck out of here and if you don’t like my posts than don’t reply. You never provide anything to the topic anyway. You spout off your mouth like a child.


21 posted on 07/19/2010 10:46:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

“You call me a DIMWIT”

Sorry...I meant AHOLE.


22 posted on 07/19/2010 11:04:19 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: jessduntno

You can’t even spell correctly....go back to school. Clearly you need an education.


23 posted on 07/19/2010 3:22:09 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: pabianice

Well, this administration is succeeding to piss off the military. That is the good aspect (imo)


24 posted on 07/19/2010 3:24:49 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Those with the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening)
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To: Liberty Valance
I do not want to hear one more word out of the White House about my BMI, my eating habits, how much I weigh, what's growing in their garden....If I see one more photo of these morons slurping ice cream while they dodge their duties is infuriating.

If I didn't think that the new facility in Bethesda was better off without the dark comedy team (and by dark comedy, I'm not referring to any one’s skin color) of Joe and O, I would really be furious.

25 posted on 07/19/2010 3:31:41 PM PDT by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: napscoordinator

“You can’t even spell correctly....go back to school.”

Correctly. Ahole.


26 posted on 07/19/2010 3:43:43 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: B4Ranch

I am a Nam guy I have the same doubts that you do about my era.


27 posted on 07/19/2010 3:44:13 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: ishabibble

>Where are the success stories re Iraq?<

Sorry but success at war is not one of Zero’s goals. The media is forbidden to discuss the subject.


28 posted on 07/19/2010 3:48:12 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left and the middle.)
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To: jessduntno

What are you trying to say? Just don’t know is perfect for your name.


29 posted on 07/19/2010 3:54:19 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Little Bill

Serving in Nam isn’t something I am proud of nor ashamed of. I consider it to be a brain expanding experience. Saw and did a lot that I’d rather have not but at the same time I’m glad that I did. If that makes any sense at all.

I think it helped prepare me for the possible collapse of America, the Free. Boosted my self reliance and ability to look inward to myself for the help I’ve needed.


30 posted on 07/19/2010 4:00:02 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left and the middle.)
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To: napscoordinator; jessduntno
You call me a DIMWIT when you are a newbie...

Oh, please. That is really lame for some newbie with a 2005 sign-up date to call someone with a 2006 sign-up date a newbie.

BTW, nice job trying to defend the indefensible. I ain't buying it. There's no excuse for top level administration and military representatives not being there.

31 posted on 07/19/2010 4:00:34 PM PDT by Bob
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To: napscoordinator

“Just don’t know is perfect for your name.”

Hahahaha...and you think I can’t spell...what a dope.


32 posted on 07/19/2010 4:00:43 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: Bob; napscoordinator; jessduntno

“There’s no excuse for top level administration and military representatives not being there.”

This lamebrain is here constantly with a defense for the Won. I think he’s a little left in the loafers.

But, I have to admit, he does bring out the worst in me. I should probably ignore it, as I did for a while, but it doesn’t stop...I think that it’s the obviousness of his posts that tick me off...they are always the same, blah blah blah “oh, what else could they do” faux resonable defense of the POtuS. I should let it go, but somehow it just ticks me off every time.


33 posted on 07/19/2010 4:08:54 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: jessduntno; Bob

Bob,
I am a realist. jessduntno was in the military in World War II when the President can take five minutes to get to a function. Now it takes hours of waiting for the President to arrive. I am in the military and trust me if the President decides not to come to an event, EVERYONE is fine with it because it make the ceremony much more palpable. The other thing I bashed was the fact that this “guy” makes fun of Obama eating an ice cream cone as if that is a tragedy so if that makes me a lefty than I guess that is ridiculous. I am a realist. A President is going to have an ice cream from time to time is that really a reason for ridicule. I think it is childish quite frankly. I understand that being in your eighties makes you think of things differently but this guy is way out in left field. jessduntno has searched me so he can ping me every single day. It is ridiculous but I figure that he has nothing else going on in his life so I put up with it. I feel sorry for him. When you don’t have a family or a job this is his entertainment. I have a job and a wife and four children so I am constantly busy and don’t have time for this old dude but pity him.


34 posted on 07/19/2010 6:44:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Stick it you moron. The thread was about top officials, not the President. And if it WERE about that POtuS, he was OK with leaving Bibi sitting in a room while he trotted off to have lunch with his .. er ... wife .. so don’t tell me he has to observe protocol. He just doesn’t give a shit.

And you are a leftist apologist and have been one for years.


35 posted on 07/19/2010 6:51:11 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: jessduntno

Well I am glad that you got that out of your system. Feel better baby. For someone in your 80’s you are pretty immature. Grow up before it is too late...you getting close.


36 posted on 07/19/2010 9:21:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: jessduntno

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2555487/posts

Hint......perhaps you should do something productive.


37 posted on 07/19/2010 9:35:29 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
I am a realist.

Realist or not, you're acting more like an apologist than anything else.

jessduntno was in the military in World War II when the President can take five minutes to get to a function. Now it takes hours of waiting for the President to arrive.

Horse manure. The logistics of getting the president to a function has not changed that much, even since WWII. If anything, the availability of Marine 1 would make it even easier for him to attend a local function than it would have been during WWII.

I am in the military and trust me if the President decides not to come to an event, EVERYONE is fine with it because it make the ceremony much more palpable.

Thank you for your service but I think you're being just a tad presumptuous to claim that your service gives you the right to speak for EVERYONE in the service.

Besides, my point was not that the president himself snubbed this event, it was more to the point that no senior level military or civilian administration official chose to attend it. That is indefensible despite your best efforts to defend it.

38 posted on 07/20/2010 12:03:54 AM PDT by Bob
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